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I've only seen a few of these around, and not much on the internet. They seem a seriously dated design, but still have a certain appeal.

I'm interested in it as an extended coastal cruising liveaboard on the west coast. Obviously it's a 25 ft boat- I'm young, I figure a foot a year for now, and plus I'm on the shorter side-5'7. I'd also enjoy a certain amount of reliability...

My main concern for this boat is the design; i don't want a boat that sails like a shoebox. All signs says this boat sails like a box: pretty much unmodified full keel, double headed ketch. It does, however have a decent amount of ballast, and so might sail more on it's feet, especially given the rig. Does anyone have experience sailing these? What is it like in light airs, seas, or heavy wind?

Second concern is that reliability. This design (full keel, tons of different sails) seems to be touted as the "reliable" go to for heavy sailing. Of course, reliability is as much a product of good technique in building and maintaining. So, as for the building end, how sturdy were these boats made?

Obviously I am comparing this boat to others. The plus is that this may be a good deal for a well built boat, and the boat is actually younger than others in this range. The minus is that it might not sail as well as a similarly sized boat of similar build quality but of a more modern design. Obviously, if i had my pick, I'd be in a well designed and built, more modern hull and rig, but it's hard to find these for under 7k.

Basically, how does this boat sail, how well was it built, and would i be better off on similarly sized (less than 28 loa/5500#) boat? Please, don't tell me to look at bigger boats.

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Pretty boat - but 2 masts and 4 sails seems excessive for a 25' boat with a 20' waterline.
 

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Different boat. Even today, some things aren't on the internet. But yea, that's the model. Anyways, I'd like to make the thread more of a review of the boat than an analysis of a deal. Has anyone sailed these boats?
 

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hybrid head?

I've never sailed one, or seen one, but that other listing said she had a "hybrid head." Do you have any idea what this is and whether it will suit your needs?
Google didn't have any information that I found.
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Maybe a mis-spelling of Brydon.

Or a composting head?

Probably not many who have sailed this design - they aren't that common.

Ask to sail the one you are looking at.
 

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Yea, sea trials I guess. Just thought I'd give the ol' net a cast. Maybe I'll write something afterwords, there really seems to be nothing written about these boats.
 

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It probably is an ok sailer but there are sure a lot of strings to pull for a boat that size. Except for nostalgia ketches have been rare for quite a while even for 40' boats.
How much are they asking?
 

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The Trump 25 (Margaret D) was designed and built by Aborne Smith is Stonington, CT in the 1970s. Hull Number 1 went to his banker and Hull Number 2 was purchased by my father Captain Leon Pothier as a ketch. My father was very conservative with his resources so you can image the surprise when he baught her based on the plans! We had between 4-6 people ever weekend and sailed her to Block Island RI from Mystic, CT quite often. She tracked beautifully could handle seas and a blow. In the right conditions she will out pase a J-24.

My father hurt his back and was forced to sell her. She was last known to me to be in New London rigged as a schooner. I have lost rack of the boat, however she was well build and has weather the years with grace.

Smith's son (I think) built cutter rigged versions in the 80's.

I would buy one today without worry provid it had not been abused.

Good Luck in your search.
 

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I considered buying a Margaret D bare hull way back in the late 70s. Aborne Smith actually entered his Margaret D in the First Bermuda 1-2 solo race in 1977. The only details I have is he did not finish but instead turned back. Classy pleasing little boat but I agree the ketch rig is a bit much for a 25 footer.
 

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I bought one of the first Margaret D Ketch when I was 21 years old, They were being built by Aborne Smith at that time, I think it was in 1976 that the design was bought by New England Boat Builders, I remember that because I took out the owners of New England Boat Builders out for a test sail on my boat as it was moored right in Mattoposett near their yard. I guess they were impressed by the sailing qualities because they bought the design. It was a great boat, I did a lot of solo sailing and having the four sails gave me so many possibilities, The last year I had the boat my inboard was not running, on returning to the harbor with all four sails up I would run around on deck dropping sails and the boat held it course beautifully with nobody at the helm. I never sailed in anything the boat could not handle and I went out in any weather. Like I said it was a great boat and I have many great memories of sailing her.
 
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