[randyrhines]

That's a big thread

Look at the only boat flying a pirate's flag: Modern Pirate's style

Oh my that was a mess, and a grievous embarrassment to the Joly Roger..... Chuckles....
Thanks for sharing this one! Lol

 

[randyrhines]

Well uh Bob Bitchen flys the Jolly.... heres the great link , great tune and boat!

or look up Bob bitchen, The Lost Soul, Its worth a look!

 

[BoxedUp]

The Lost Soul, Its worth a look!

Wow, thanks for posting. Definitely not a weekend project boat.

 

[Maine Sail]

Not to be stereotypical but when I see the Jolly Roger flying, these mental images sometimes pop into my mind......

 

[miatapaul]

Images from the mind of Maine_Sail, not a pretty sight! Glad your how to images are better!

 

[SVAuspicious]

Well uh Bob Bitchen flys the Jolly.

I don't care who flies the silly thing. It's lame.

When I see one I assume they can't anchor, will probably be loud or drunk or both, and won't be good neighbors. My assumption is based on experience.

Google for Rick Moore's "Ode to Credit Card Captains."

 

[therapy23]

Mansail,

I am going to have to report some of those images.

 

[Minnewaska]

Jolly Roger = mullet

I nod and raise my eyebrows with discovery of a truth I had not previously considered.

 

[T37Chef]

For the record...I think this is perhaps the dumbest thread on SailNut.

Thats all, enjoy

 

[Jak1]

Flying a skull and crossed bones will get you derision or worse. Politeness is the rule with strangers.....smile alot, keep your hands where I can see them and out of your pockets

 

[captain jack]

actually, flying a jolly roger won't get you derision unless you, yourself, deserve derision. the difference between tacky and trashy or cool is all in the character of the person, not his clothes or the symbols he displays.

some people are too lame to fly a jolly roger or have skulls and chains on their riding leathers. and, if you are concerned with what other people think about your 'style', then you are too lame to fly a jolly roger (or have skulls and chains on your leathers). in fact, if you do anything...build a chopper, refit your boat, wear a certain style of clothes...with concern with how others like it... to impress them or be cool in their eyes...then you are too lame to fly a jolly roger. you should build choppers and outfit boats and choose the clothes you wear with only one person's opinion in mind: yours.

everyone seriously digs my chopper. but, although that's nice, i wouldn't care if they hated it. i built it to make me happy. it makes me happy to look at it and to ride it and, that's all that matters. you have to live your life for yourself and your own happiness. let everyone else worry about their happiness. if they don't like what you do or how you look, screw them. you don't need them.

let's face it, the jolly roger is about walking your own road. not caring about the conventions of others. it's about having the courage to live life by your own standards. if you are worried about other people thinking you are lame if you fly one, the jolly roger isn't for you.

remember, rules are made by one group of people to control other people. pirates don't follow rules. they make their own. if i decide to fly the jolly roger on Liberation (when i get her done), i won't give a barnacles behind what any of you think of it. she's my boat and it's my life. like Jimi Hendrix said," i'm the one who's got to die when it's time for me to die. let me live my life the way i want to."

so, if you do see the jolly roger flying proudly on my boat...it won't be lame.

 

[Jak1]

If you think your identity is more important than your associations and what people think of you by your behavior then you'll need a lot of luck. Piracy is not a joke, nor is it a matter of self expression unless you're a pirate.

 

[Dave_E]

If you think your identity is more important than your associations and what people think of you by your behavior then you'll need a lot of luck. Piracy is not a joke, nor is it a matter of self expression unless you're a pirate.

What Capt Jack is saying is something you're not getting. He doesn't need anyone's approval to do anything. That's what's wrong in our world today... everything you say and do has to be PC approved by the masses who think they know how the world is supposed to turn.

And please tell me your not really thinking that our little pirate flag discussion here on SailNet has anything to do with "real" piracy???

 

[Don L]

reading various who would have known that flying a pirate flag was so zen like :laugher

 

[SVAuspicious]

let's face it, the jolly roger is about walking your own road. not caring about the conventions of others. it's about having the courage to live life by your own standards. if you are worried about other people thinking you are lame if you fly one, the jolly roger isn't for you.

Not at all. The Jolly Roger refers to the flags flown to identify a pirate ship about to attack during the early 18th century. They are the symbol of criminals and violence.

Remember the Quest

In today's world they are most associated with children who know no better (because their parents don't teach them properly), drunks, and those who don't see sailing as an art and science to be cherished and built upon but simply entertainment to be purchased.

I really don't care what you think of me. I'm not likely to care about what anyone that flies a pirate flag thinks. It has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with what one says about oneself.

You can add to my list of characteristics associated with the Jolly Roger closedmindedness sufficient to preclude understanding the consequences of one's actions and behaviors.

I like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies as much as the next person. Those are fantasies for entertainment and have nothing to do with the real world on the seas.

Don't sail too close - you'll receive the consequences of declaring oneself a criminal.

Remember the Quest

 

[Maine Sail]

Not at all. The Jolly Roger refers to the flags flown to identify a pirate ship about to attack during the early 18th century. They are the symbol of criminals and violence.

Remember the Quest

In today's world they are most associated with children who know no better (because their parents don't teach them properly), drunks, and those who don't see sailing as an art and science to be cherished and built upon but simply entertainment to be purchased.

I really don't care what you think of me. I'm not likely to care about what anyone that flies a pirate flag thinks. It has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with what one says about oneself.

You can add to my list of characteristics associated with the Jolly Roger closedmindedness sufficient to preclude understanding the consequences of one's actions and behaviors.

I like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies as much as the next person. Those are fantasies for entertainment and have nothing to do with the real world on the seas.

Don't sail too close - you'll receive the consequences of declaring oneself a criminal.

Remember the Quest

As a direct descendant of the Drake family (my grandmothers maiden name was Lima Drake (Lima after one of Sir Frances 'Pirate" conquests) and my dad's middle name is Drake, though it has been nothing but D., not Drake, for the last 45 years. The Jolly Roger is offensive to myself and family in more ways than one.

My family lineage, on my fathers side, is an embarrassment to our family today. My dad and grandmother spent a good deal of time researching the lineage, and Sir Francis, and as a result the Drake family name has been dropped from our lineage for good. My dad wen to "D." on all his documents and never utters the Drake name.

He was a criminal, murderer and slave trader and that to our family erases any good he did as an explorer. If Shakelton, Amundsen or Peary were in the lineage we would likely feel differently about the Jolly Roger (be ignorant about its actual history, like most are) but sadly we can be tracked back to a family where piracy, slave trading and murder were accepted and inappropriately vaulted to hero status.... Our understanding of the meaning of the JR hits closer to home than it does for Hollywood and most who are blind to history that is more than 100 years old...

Yes my great, great, great etc. uncle was also a capable world explorer, but a CRIMINAL as well. That aspect, the criminal portion, to our family, does not bode well and we are NOT proud of it..

The Jolly Roger to me, for the reasons outlined above, is almost as offensive as the Swastika. Don't even get my father going on the Jolly Roger, you'll chew your hand off to get him to stop ranting.........

Most people I know don't get that but it is not a "Joke Flag" to some of us.... Will the Swastika become a joke flag or novelty flag 400 years from now? I certainly hope not... D'oh.... Just because the JR is old, and its history mostly long gone by, does not mean it is "cool"...

When I see folks fly it it screams uneducated about what that flag actually stands for.... Heck some folks still fly the Swastika and think they are cool.... They are both in a similar category of complete uncouth to our family...

Next time you fly one try to think about all those who have lost their lives at the hands of Pirates. This JR is not just about 400 year old history. One of the best & most accomplished modern day sailors of our time, Sir Peter Blake, lost his life to Pirates in 2001 as have many other fellow cruisers. Somalian pirates are in strong force even today. Piracy still happens in the Caribbean and people are still dying today at the hands of Pirates. By flying one, you are unintentionally through under education, saying that behavior is "cool"... It is NOT cool...

A joke? A novelty? Not to me.... Uneducated about history and its true meaning? You bet....

Rant off...

 

[UnionPacific]

The first thing the pirate flag tells me is to watch out. That boat is most likely full of drunken derelicts, who know less about boating they they do about fornicating. Most likely to end up on national news as drunks crash into anchored barge in clear evening weather. I am thankful I have 2" of solid fiberglass on my bow, capped in 1/4 plate stainless steel to crush those type of boats if they head-on me.

 

[captain jack]

If you think your identity is more important than your associations and what people think of you by your behavior then you'll need a lot of luck. Piracy is not a joke, nor is it a matter of self expression unless you're a pirate.

pirates sailing the high seas raising the jolly roger is NOT a current thing. modern pirates don't do that. flying the jolly roger is not committing an act of piracy. if that was the definition of piracy, i seriously doubt anyone would have issues with pirates.

" oh my god! he's flying a black flag with a skull and crossbones on it! that's an act of piracy! call the coast guard! call the navy! call mighty mouse! call someone! oh the humanity!"

nope. just don't see that being an international issue. i think piracy might be something other than just flying the jolly roger.

as far as the first point, i think you miss the point. if i have to pretend to be someone i am not or change who i am, in order to get someone to like me, i don't want that person as a friend because tey really don't like who i actually am. friends aren't supposed to limit or control your life. they are supposed to enrich it. your conform to be liked attitude is what causes so much roblem with many romantic relationships. people pretending to be what they are not to gain the love of someone who doesn't truly like who they actually are leads to eventual disaster. no matter how hard you try, eventually who you really are is bound to show. then you end up with a wife or girlfriend who might find out she is with someone she doesn't even like. much better to be who you are and then the people that are in your life will be true friends and your relationships will be built on truth and not lies.

of course, it takes courage to be yourself and not hide behind an image you think others will accept.

myself, i don't need to cling to other people so much that i am willing to be untrue to who i really am and subjugate my own will and liberty to the pursuit of human company. one thing for sure: i know the friends i have are true friends and like the real me. better a few true friends than a nation of people who won't like you unless you conform to their ideals.

 

[captain jack]

Not at all. The Jolly Roger refers to the flags flown to identify a pirate ship about to attack during the early 18th century. They are the symbol of criminals and violence.

Remember the Quest

In today's world they are most associated with children who know no better (because their parents don't teach them properly), drunks, and those who don't see sailing as an art and science to be cherished and built upon but simply entertainment to be purchased.

I really don't care what you think of me. I'm not likely to care about what anyone that flies a pirate flag thinks. It has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do with what one says about oneself.

i don't know if you realize it but, pollitical correctness is all about conforming to the judgement of others. you can't say what you wish, regardless of the possible truth in it, because someone somewhere might find it offensive. in this case, you shouldn't fly a pirate flag because some overly controlling uptight individual might find it offensive.

You can add to my list of characteristics associated with the Jolly Roger closedmindedness sufficient to preclude understanding the consequences of one's actions and behaviors.

ok. i'll bite. what consequences are there to flying a jolly roger...in this century, i mean? that someone uptight and controlling might have a bad opinion of you without ever being mature enough to see who you really are? oh horror of horrors. i suppose black people should bleach their skin so backwards or racist people don't have prejudice against them, too. regardless of whose ideas you force yourself to conform to, you are always going to find someone that disapproves. perhaps we should all just hide in our houses and never come out so we don't risk being prejudged by someone.

personally, i think the consequences of bending to the will of others and being untrue to yourself are far worse.

I like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies as much as the next person. Those are fantasies for entertainment and have nothing to do with the real world on the seas.

Don't sail too close - you'll receive the consequences of declaring oneself a criminal.

Remember the Quest

what quest, by the way? i am not sure we are on the same quest. my quest is to enjoy my life, be who i am, and do all i can to advance my own happiness before i die. not sure what your quest is but that's mine and, it does't cohabitat with pandering to everyone else's whims, all that well.

 

[captain jack]

As a direct descendant of the Drake family (my grandmothers maiden name was Lima Drake (Lima after one of Sir Frances 'Pirate" conquests) and my dad's middle name is Drake, though it has been nothing but D., not Drake, for the last 45 years. The Jolly Roger is offensive to myself and family in more ways than one.

My family lineage, on my fathers side, is an embarrassment to our family today. My dad and grandmother spent a good deal of time researching the lineage, and Sir Francis, and as a result the Drake family name has been dropped from our lineage for good. My dad wen to "D." on all his documents and never utters the Drake name.

He was a criminal, murderer and slave trader and that to our family erases any good he did as an explorer. If Shakelton, Amundsen or Peary were in the lineage we would likely feel differently about the Jolly Roger (be ignorant about its actual history, like most are) but sadly we can be tracked back to a family where piracy, slave trading and murder were accepted and inappropriately vaulted to hero status.... Our understanding of the meaning of the JR hits closer to home than it does for Hollywood and most who are blind to history that is more than 100 years old...

Yes my great, great, great etc. uncle was also a capable world explorer, but a CRIMINAL as well. That aspect, the criminal portion, to our family, does not bode well and we are NOT proud of it..

The Jolly Roger to me, for the reasons outlined above, is almost as offensive as the Swastika. Don't even get my father going on the Jolly Roger, you'll chew your hand off to get him to stop ranting.........

Most people I know don't get that but it is not a "Joke Flag" to some of us.... Will the Swastika become a joke flag or novelty flag 400 years from now? I certainly hope not... D'oh.... Just because the JR is old, and its history mostly long gone by, does not mean it is "cool"...

When I see folks fly it it screams uneducated about what that flag actually stands for.... Heck some folks still fly the Swastika and think they are cool.... They are both in a similar category of complete uncouth to our family...

Next time you fly one try to think about all those who have lost their lives at the hands of Pirates. This JR is not just about 400 year old history. One of the best & most accomplished modern day sailors of our time, Sir Peter Blake, lost his life to Pirates in 2001 as have many other fellow cruisers. Somalian pirates are in strong force even today. Piracy still happens in the Caribbean and people are still dying today at the hands of Pirates. By flying one, you are unintentionally through under education, saying that behavior is "cool"... It is NOT cool...

A joke? A novelty? Not to me.... Uneducated about history and its true meaning? You bet....

Rant off...

and you are entitled to your feelings. but it doesn't mean others have to or should have to kow tow to those feelings.

since historical accuracy seems to be in question here, i would like to note that the swastika was adopted by hitler to inspire heroic patriotism because it was an ancient Germanic religious symbol from the heroic age. it also happens to be a religious symbol to cultures all over the world from the native Americans to the Japanese and even the Jews. there is even a jewish temple with a huge swastika on the floor. seems that maybe your ill feelings and prejudice towards the swastika might be a little ill informed.

also, there are bad people in every human's bloodline, if you look deep enough. if you only judge a man by the ill he has done, ignoring the good, then all of us should be eradicated as evil beings. people's actions are not so black and white. we are people. good people do bad things and bad people do good things. lots of horrific things were done in the name of the church and in the name of every country on the face of the earth. i notice no one is saying that we should refuse to display the images of those entities based on that truth. the church is considered a good thing, for instance, despite it's long history of oppression, torture, and murder.

perspective is important. in the grand scheme of things, how seriously terrible is it for a sailor to fly a jolly roger because, to him, it is a symbol of liberation from the control of those who try to tell you how to live? it's not like he's sawing the heads off of people with a small knife. oh, that's right. if he were, we'd defend the belief system that encouraged that sort of behavior (but a pirate flag is just horrible). my mistake.