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Jammed Furler

10K views 43 replies 10 participants last post by  Giulietta  
#1 ·
Hi all. This hasn't happenned to me (yet) but I was just wondering, always wanting to have a contingency plan: If you have your genoa furled 30% or so in high winds and the furler jams so that you can neither furl nor unfurl, what do you do?
 
#2 ·
Run downwidn so the main blankets the jib, untie your stopper knots and remove the sheets from the turning blocks. Then either:
1. unfurl the sail by passing a sheet in front of the forestay, counter to the direction of the furler, and then pulling a wrap off the furler, use a sheet winch if necessary. Continue until the sail is unwrapped, then dump the sail and remove.
2. If the sail won't unwrap, then pass the sheet in front of the forestay in the same direction as the furler, and manually wrap the sail around the forestay. When done, secure the furled sail with some ties. On the next calm day, straighten the mess out.
 
#3 ·
Probably the biggest cause of a jammed furling line is letting it free run during the unfurl, especially in a breeze. This pulls the loops into the furler at a high rate of knots <g>, and the loose loops can overlap and override each other.

It's really important to keep some tension on the furling line as you pull out the headsail with the sheet. Take a turn around a winch or a cleat on the larger sails that can overpower someone holding the furling line, especially when a good breeze grabs the sail.

Prevention's worth a.....
 
#5 ·
Also, keeping both the furling line and the headsail sheets under tension during the unfurling and furling process will help eliminate most of the jamming problems .

As for the spinnaker halyard, I generally recommend running it aft of the spreaders when it is not in use and tensioning it, to prevent it from wrapping on the roller furling headsail.
 
#6 ·
While attempting to remove my Genoa from the Furlex during last season's decomissioning, it was discovered that the wire halyard had wrapped itself around the furling head. This necessitated going aloft - took a while to untangle the rat's nest.

We will install sails in a couple weeks and am hoping the kinked wire will not cause any problems.
 
#7 ·
TB-

I would see about replacing the wire. Kinked wire generally loses quite a bit of its strength, and it is also more likely to "misbehave" than an unkinked halyard would.
 
#9 ·
I understand that this is one scenario that causes a lot of concern with furlers. I have a preventer installed on the forestay which is supposed to prevent the halyard from wrapping around the forestay.
TB, do you have a preventer? If not, I would think you would want to look into it before launching.
Im still learning about furlers. I go back to the days of hanked on head sails.
 
#12 ·
I have heard about and seen those G.
Called a single line furler or something like that.
Too bad my boat didn't come with one. Probably a hefty bill to update at this point.
 
#14 · (Edited)
TrueBlue said:
Nice piece of equipment Giu. It the furler drum ratcheted, or do you simply jamcleat the furler line at the cockpit?

Just noticed that even your spinpole is carbon fiber.
TB, the genoa furler drum rotates any way you want, left or right, and all I have is a continuous loop that is cleated on the back at the cockpit, by 2 cleats.

See the red ropes here..they go into the furler, along the cockpit...

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This system is simple, very light and trouble free..also allows a loow foot genoa to be installed to increase performance..

Get this...I have a twin slot genoa track, (to do twin gib downwind) and it allows the furling of both sails together!!
 
#16 ·
sailortjk1 said:
I have heard about and seen those G.
Called a single line furler or something like that.
Too bad my boat didn't come with one. Probably a hefty bill to update at this point.
Sailor, its a code zero check it here... click on code zero, then custom range

Its pretty cool, you can have a cruising sail the same size as a racing sail..
 
#18 ·
TrueBlue said:
While attempting to remove my Genoa from the Furlex during last season's decomissioning, it was discovered that the wire halyard had wrapped itself around the furling head. This necessitated going aloft - took a while to untangle the rat's nest.

We will install sails in a couple weeks and am hoping the kinked wire will not cause any problems.
TB - do you have (or do you have space for) a padeye just below the halyard sheave at the masthead, with the halyard running through it to the top swivel? This puts a slight out-of-line pull on the halyard and discourages halyard wrap.

This would be easier to implement with an all rope halyard as you are considering.
 
#19 ·
Actually that was a solution to a problem..I didn't want a furler at all, but because 3 months a year my wife likes us to cruise in Southern Europe, I needed a simple system that wouldn't affect performance when we use the race sails. So this is why we had this made.
The difficult part was the bow piece and the metal insert you see going inside the furler. But everything has a solution.

The cost of these is slightly higher than a normal furler, but its worth it.. just...a big just...needs washing every now and then, since the bearings are torlon.
 
#20 ·
I just checked the photos of my masthead, last time it was unstepped. I don't believe there's a pad eye - unfortuantely, not visible in these shots.

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I'll check to see if I have a fore view.
 
#23 ·
TB-

Unfortunately, wire halyard sheaves are often too narrow and the wrong shape to accept rope halyards. Wire halyard sheaves usually have a v-shaped groove rather than the u-shaped groove needed by rope halyards.

So if you want to replace the wire-to-rope with all rope, replacing the masthead sheaves is usually necessary.
 
#24 ·
TB - Although the second one is hard to make out in your picture I believe you already have 2 (for your 2 possible forsails) of what I thought was considered 'jib halyard wrap preventers'. Simply those approx 2 inch long U shaped tunnels (over sized fairleads) bolted to the top front of the mast above the upper furler bearing that the halyards pass through to keep the jib halyards from flopping around during a poor furl. I've never seen or heard of ProFurls (I assume proprietary) method of keeping things in line before. To me they look a bit micky mouse (and expensive) - but maybe they are more foolproof :confused:
As for replacing the meat hook makers... that's the first thing I did last spring. I was amazed at Nauticat's antiquated wire on my '99. Although using the existing sheaves may not be the absolute 'right' thing to do.... I'm not worried really about it. They work fine, it's been a year, I'll watch for extra wear, and when I go up there this year I'll look for halyard dust as a possible wearing problem indicator.
 
#25 ·
Stan,
Until Faster pointed that out earlier in this highjacked thread, I never realized what they were used for. The PO had both jib halyards outside of these wrap preventers (one halyard's actually intended for use with a spinnaker or staysail).

Consequently, when the masts were unstepped in '04 after our purchase of the boat, we didn't thread them through. It seems as though the U-brackets need to be unscrewed to do so, since the shackles will certainly not fit.
 
#26 ·
That U-shaped fairlead near the mast head is essential to keep the 10 degree angle needed between the halyard and the foil to prevent wire wrap. You have to keep an eye on them with wire halyards, as the wire cuts through them. I caught mine about half way through.