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I have been researching our next boat, which will be our retirement boat, for years! I have walked many docks just looking, and of course surfing way to much Yacht Porn! We have agreed for years that the Sun Odyssey 37/ SunFast 37 would be the ideal boat that would fit our budget, and check off the vast majority of our wish list. And then last year we were invited aboard a 39i, and we fell in love! She had such beautiful lines! And that transom...nice and beamy! But the best part? Those beautiful twin wheels! It opens up access to the transom so nicely, and also provides some excellent helmsman seating options! The permanent cockpit table doesn't even feel like it would bother me much under sail, and it even provides an ice bath for my....water bottles! The interior is very much what we liked in the older 37. We are particularly fond of the 2 cabin head layout. The separate shower will be a great place to deal with wet gear, and the cavernous "garage" with built in parts drawers will be perfect for our 3 inflatable kayaks, cockpit cushions, and all the other stuff you end up hauling around! The Aft berth is huge and has great storage. In fact storage throughout this boat is amazing! Not only are there plenty of cabinets, there is also a huge amount of useful storage under the sole.

Unfortunately I have yet to sail one, but by all accounts they are pretty decent performing boats. I don't have any delusions about it performing like a B36.7 or 40.7, but I am reasonably confident it will be quicker and more enjoyable to sail than most furniture boats in our price range. I would love to get my hands on a Performance model with the taller mast and deeper keel, but sadly there aren't many of those in my area. What I am not crazy about is the mainsheet being on the cabin top. I would like to be able to trim both sails from the helm position, so I already have the idea in my head to rig a german sheeting system like they do on the 409.

I would love to hear what 39i owners have to say about their boats. I would love to hear comments about performance, handling or any other thoughts you have about your boats.
 

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HAve you posted this on the Jeanneau owners forum? A similar question was asked by someone there with a different namce.

With this in mind.......if you can find the one and only 39iP in the salish sea -chartered out of Bellingham charters, they are rated in the upper 80 low 90 relm. It is one of the faster models in the recent designs. Do not recall the slower speed of a std 39i.....would swag in the low 100 relm. On par with an SF35, then 36iP, so35,36i, sf37, so37 Assuming the deepest draft option on the boats. That is fast to slowest as I am recalling PHRF ratings I have seen.

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Here on western Long Island Sound, the deep keel 39iP rates 138 and the shoal 39i is 150.

Edit: And SO37 rates 138 and 37-2 Sunfast is 114.
 

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Yes that was me posting on the Jeanneau forum as Zaphod. (SchockT is soon to be obsolete!)

PHRF rating of 100 is the number I found in a few places, 138 seems a bit slow. It doesnt really matter that much as I don't plan to do any serious racing. The boat does have a permanent cockpit table after all! I am just trying to reassure myself that she will perform well enough to keep me happy!

I guess I will find out soon enough as we have an accepted offer on a 2009 model!



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Congrats and good luck with the boat!

Just note I was giving you the base PHRF numbers listed in the western Long Island Sound database. And of course that single number doesn't tell you everything about a boat's performance.
 

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Jim,

Numbers I gave are based on what I have seen here in the Wa St PHRF region. 90 is for a 39iP racing in Ontario. Locally a standard 39i with the mid 6' deep keel is 105 or there about, depending upon sail sizes etc. Not sure about a shoal keel. As most will go with the deepest keel option here in the salish sea. Its one of those area;s where if the depth guage is reading the bottom, you are in shallow water! Otherwise, plenty deep around here. 7'+ draft for a 39iP, 3' taller mast than a standard....no big!
A shoal keel takes a deep hit price wise generally speaking around here.

Shock, congrats on new boat! There are two roundezvous's the third weekend in June, Poets cove put on by Frazier Yachts, and Anacortes by marine Servicenter!

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Thanks Marty,

We are very excited, and just a little bit apprehensive, as the boat seems absolutely huge compared to our Santana 30! That and it will be the first wheel steering boat I have owned, (and this one has 2 of 'em!) It is definitely going to be a learning curve! The freeboard is so high the wife won't be able to just hop off at the dock like she is accustomed to doing. I'm sure we will adapt quickly, I just hope I don't scratch our new baby and embarrass myself at the dock!
We will definitely try and make the rendezvous next year, they look like lots of fun and a good way to get upgrade and rigging ideas!

Sea trials and survey tomorrow!

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Sea trial and inspection went well! There was a problem with the furler and one of the primary winches that the broker is going to have his guys take care of, but otherwise a very short list of deficiencies which is impressive considering how thorough my surveyor is.
We didn't have a lot of wind to sail in, but I think 5.5kts boatspeed in 11kts apparent close hauled with a fixed 3 blade prop is reassuring! I have no doubt I can make this boat go! The 7.5kts cruising speed under power was nice too!
Another pleasant surprise was the fact that the boat is actually a 2011 model, not the 2009 we thought we were getting! The interior is like new, and the engine only has around 650hrs on it!
With any luck we will take possession this weekend!

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Congratulations!

The boat sounds very nice.

Hopefully the furler and winch problem are from lack of use. When my boat was sea trialed (it had been sitting for about 6 months) the furler didn't work either. The sail went out but not back in. The broker and surveyor dropped the sail to the deck. We motored back to the marine. The broker grabbed a tech and he lubed EVERYTHING. Then we hoisted the sail and furled it a few times. No more problem.

Good thing we did that b/c on the delivery home we had 30 kts of wind behind us and I had to furl the sail! it took some effort but it worked.

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Apparently the Broker's tech resolved both issues easily. They found the job halyard was extremely tight, (one of the dangers of a power halyard winch), and after flushing the bearings out it works smoothly. The primary winch problem was that the stripper was rotating freely, and I guess that was an easy fix too. I still think I will do a strip and clean on the winches, as I doubt that has been done since the boat was new.

Everything is good to go, and we will be taking possession early next week!


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I love that boat, wanted to buy one but it would not fit in our slip. Congrats
 

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Congratulations, Very nice boat, a friend has an '06 36iP that I really enjoy sailing, with it's weight and the deep bulb keel it is really stable in rough surface conditions.
The engine box is so well insulated you can't hear the engine at the helm, on that note, the blower is located right above the engine in an exhaust mode (very effective) it should turn on with ignition key but because you can't hear it you often don't know if it's failed.
The sail cover is a factory item available at reasonable price from Jeanneau factory parts here, it's only weakness is the zipper, the stiches in it pull out under pressure when your zipping it up, handle with care. It will also roll up easily if you are going racing or just getting serious.
I don't believe you can start the engine with the house bank on the French boats which eliminates a redundancy many of us have put to use in a pinch, so you want to maintain a nice well charged start battery.
 

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Several years back we had a timeshare on a Jeanneau 40.3 in Belmont Harbor (Chicago) from Pinnacle Yachts. Not exactly the same boat as a 39i, but pretty close. It was a terrific experience - 'Cherish the Day' sailed well, even with in mast furling. It would rise up to speed in 18 knots of wind and really move. It also handled the box waves of Lake Michigan without too much hobby-horsing. The cabin interior was beautiful - though we spent much of our time in the cockpit.

Yes, you will need to practice docking - we sure did. My wife has a bad ankle, and leaping down from that high freeboard to loop a spring line on a cleat just wasn't going to happen. But the boat handles so well that I usually was able to bring us to a stop by the finger and she would gently step down. I say 'usually' - there were times when we came to a stop three feet off the finger, and I had to back up and take another run.

Enjoy! Oh - SchockT, if it were next summer when we move to the Olympic Pen I'd take a close look at your 30T.

https://www.pinnacleyachts.com/fleet_08_so403.php
 

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It's interesting you should mention the engine room fan as I discussed it with the mechanic who inspected the engine. Exhaust blowers are required on gasoline engines to exhaust any explosive vapors that may have accumulated. Diesel engines don't need this precaution, so why the fan? Apparently it has to do with how tightly sealed the engine compartment is, and the desire to provide more air to the engine for better combustion, so it is actually a supply fan not an exhaust fan.

I noticed during the sea trial that the stack pack mainsail cover didn't seem terribly robust, but I am sure we can repair and upgrade it if necessary, the wife is pretty handy with the sewing machine!

It was strange having to use 2 mast steps to reach the sail and unzip the bag. The stack pack system is certainly a necessity! I can understand the appeal of the in mast furling....but I still wouldn't want it!

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Several years back we had a timeshare on a Jeanneau 40.3 in Belmont Harbor (Chicago) from Pinnacle Yachts. Not exactly the same boat as a 39i, but pretty close. It was a terrific experience - 'Cherish the Day' sailed well, even with in mast furling. It would rise up to speed in 18 knots of wind and really move. It also handled the box waves of Lake Michigan without too much hobby-horsing. The cabin interior was beautiful - though we spent much of our time in the cockpit.

Yes, you will need to practice docking - we sure did. My wife has a bad ankle, and leaping down from that high freeboard to loop a spring line on a cleat just wasn't going to happen. But the boat handles so well that I usually was able to bring us to a stop by the finger and she would gently step down. I say 'usually' - there were times when we came to a stop three feet off the finger, and I had to back up and take another run.

Enjoy! Oh - SchockT, if it were next summer when we move to the Olympic Pen I'd take a close look at your 30T.

https://www.pinnacleyachts.com/fleet_08_so403.php
Yeah I think it will be interesting docking on port side as the engine controls are on the starboard, necessitating use of the starboard helm for docking...13ft away from the port side!

There is a Sunfast 40 moored close to our new boat, and there are many similarities to be sure. (I would have taken a hard look at that boat if it were for sale!) I think the hull designs are quite different. The 403 was designed by Jaques Faroux, where as the 39i is a Marc Lombard design.

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I defer to your knowledge of the differences between a 39i and a 403, except to wish that you have as good an experience with the 39i as we did with the 403.

Docking when you tie to port but the controls are by the starboard wheel: someone in your family who stands at the gate on the port side needs to learn only five words: slower, closer, TOO CLOSE, STOP!
 

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..... so it is actually a supply fan not an exhaust fan.
This would be unusual. If you provide positive pressure to the engine compartment, all the odors or potential exhaust leaks will be forced out into the cabin. With an exhaust fan, air is still drawn into the engine compartment via the bilge, both for cooling and combustion.

p.s. Congrats on the new boat!
 
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