I recently sold my self built Kurt Hughes 38ft tri as I was finding her a little expensive to maintain. I decided to go full circle to where I was at 30 years ago with a 22 footer mono. I have been looking closely at the Sun 2000, Beneteau 21.7 and the Etap 21i. All seem to have more or less the same vital statistics and similar price except the Sun 2000 which is a lot less expensive. Im not sure which to go for.Does anyone have any input ,good or bad on any of these?
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I am going to assume, the OP is in europe............as the sun 2000, 2500, SO29.2 are not typically shipped to north america! nor are the Beneteau's in those smaller sizes.
The reality is, for most of the posters on here, are in NA, vs europe, you may or may not get a good answer.
I will say, my older 85 Jeanneau is built better IMHO than the new ones, and for that matter, better than the Beny's too. As far as newest models, personally, still feel the Jeanneau's are better, excepting the First's, then they are better than the Oceanus and SO models from jeanneau. No experience personally with the Etap. And my impressions for the beny's and jeaneau's are with models 30+ ft in length.
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The reality is, for most of the posters on here, are in NA, vs europe, you may or may not get a good answer.
I will say, my older 85 Jeanneau is built better IMHO than the new ones, and for that matter, better than the Beny's too. As far as newest models, personally, still feel the Jeanneau's are better, excepting the First's, then they are better than the Oceanus and SO models from jeanneau. No experience personally with the Etap. And my impressions for the beny's and jeaneau's are with models 30+ ft in length.
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You might try www.jeanneau-owners.com for info on the sun200 also. I seem to recall a few folks posting that they have them, altho the 2500 IIRC is more popular. Including one that recently circumnavigated France thru the channels etc.
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Then that mod is worth looking into if a bit more stability is wanted. Even a thin plate of iron or aluminum, say 1/4-1/2" with glass around that might get you a bit more stability in puffs etc. That would add all of 200 to maybe 300 lbs at most to the CB. So depending upon the bolt size etc in the CB, very doable IMHO.
My step dad in the 70's built a Glen-L 21CB. He made the DB about an 1/8-1/4" thicker than designed, giving it 475 lbs of CB vs 400, and while not a lot of wt, still seemed to give it a bit more stability vs other TS's with 300-400 lbs of CB. Mainly SJ21's that were more prevalent in the Seattle area that I could get on etc as a teen.
Just a thought and certainly worth looking into if you want a bit stability when sailing in stronger winds. Not sure I would mess with the rudder, unless going aground a lot like here in puget sound with rocky bottoms etc. Then again, most folk do not beach there boats here, as it is a long wait if you beach at high tide, and the tide goes out some 8-12' and in some places, many yds to the waters edge!
JP, there is a owner rendezvous in the san juans the last weekend in june if you want to take a 2 wk vacation and sail around up there. Been going on for 7 or 8 yrs now. It would be interesting to see a small jeanneau.
marty
My step dad in the 70's built a Glen-L 21CB. He made the DB about an 1/8-1/4" thicker than designed, giving it 475 lbs of CB vs 400, and while not a lot of wt, still seemed to give it a bit more stability vs other TS's with 300-400 lbs of CB. Mainly SJ21's that were more prevalent in the Seattle area that I could get on etc as a teen.
Just a thought and certainly worth looking into if you want a bit stability when sailing in stronger winds. Not sure I would mess with the rudder, unless going aground a lot like here in puget sound with rocky bottoms etc. Then again, most folk do not beach there boats here, as it is a long wait if you beach at high tide, and the tide goes out some 8-12' and in some places, many yds to the waters edge!
JP, there is a owner rendezvous in the san juans the last weekend in june if you want to take a 2 wk vacation and sail around up there. Been going on for 7 or 8 yrs now. It would be interesting to see a small jeanneau.
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If the Sun will suit you the best for your type of needs, buy the thing! i am sure there are "better' built boats out there per say. But then again, what are you going to do with it? it may very well be built to the specs etc you need, spouse if there is one likes etc.
A number of folks on here bash the not sure I want to say it this way "entry level" or coastal cruiser style boats.......but they serve a purpose! many like myself, like my 85 Arcadia, warts and all. I like JP find my boat needs a reef at about 15 knots depending upon the headsail I have up. The 142 yes at 15knots, the 110 I can go to 20-22 before reefing!
Yes there are many on the owner site that post, I think I have seen JP on there, Zanshin another whom posts here posts there, as do I using my name vs handle here.
As Alex mentioned, the three you are looking at, all have positives, all have negatives, none do everything well! So choose your poison per your needs, do not look back, and enjoy the boat!
On this side of the Atlantic, we pretty much have Catilina, Hunter, and MacGregor for 20-25' TS style boats, I think if you put all 6 next to ea other, all would have positives and negatives. I am remembering one other, but the name escapes me for trailering too!
If you by the sun, welcome to the Jeanneau owners group! Sends some pics to Malcolm on the JO site!
Marty
A number of folks on here bash the not sure I want to say it this way "entry level" or coastal cruiser style boats.......but they serve a purpose! many like myself, like my 85 Arcadia, warts and all. I like JP find my boat needs a reef at about 15 knots depending upon the headsail I have up. The 142 yes at 15knots, the 110 I can go to 20-22 before reefing!
Yes there are many on the owner site that post, I think I have seen JP on there, Zanshin another whom posts here posts there, as do I using my name vs handle here.
As Alex mentioned, the three you are looking at, all have positives, all have negatives, none do everything well! So choose your poison per your needs, do not look back, and enjoy the boat!
On this side of the Atlantic, we pretty much have Catilina, Hunter, and MacGregor for 20-25' TS style boats, I think if you put all 6 next to ea other, all would have positives and negatives. I am remembering one other, but the name escapes me for trailering too!
If you by the sun, welcome to the Jeanneau owners group! Sends some pics to Malcolm on the JO site!
Marty
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