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For anyone who has faith that someone aboard a big ship can see your little tiny boat and will do the right thing, please watch this video.
As I've said over and over again, the ColRegs are NOT of any value in the REAL WORLD. Do any of you doubt that both these ships had AIS, radar, people awake (they are nearing the entrance to the Suez Canal), on watch and communicating with each other? And yet......

They ARE of value in the real world. That is a ridiculous statement to make, as they wouldn't be IN the real world if they didn't have any value.

Hang on, hang on a sec....
That video is doing the rounds of the forums and its not quite as it seems...

Theres also the video of the AIS.

It was inside the suez canal and both ships had pilots aboard.

I havent read the other forums threads because its of little interest to me.. Pilots in taht corrupt of corrupt waterway are little more than criminals and you can't expect a criminal to have much value in safety.

And you are right about Colregs... Colregs dont cover Suez. Da pilots are in charge... So go back to the line about corruption lol


Mark
I seriously doubt that these pilots you speak of are little more than criminals. If you have some proof of this I'd like it to surface.

Second, the pilots are NOT in charge. They are local hired professional help that aid the master in navigating through a specified waterway that the ship's bridge officers may otherwise not know said waterway well. At NO time is the master relieved of his position or authority. They are usually required, but all fault in a situation like this falls on the ship not the pilots.

Seems to me that was no accident. Long after collision the black ship was still under full power with prop-wash clearly evident in the wake.

Even broken steering would not prevent some way from being taken off prior to and after collision.
I almost guarantee you it was an an accident, it would be silly to even attempt to think it wasn't. They were still under power because they need to keep steerage. You can just stop and pull over when you get in a wreck like a car. They have to slow down, slowly. Getting into an collision at sea is bad enough, they didn't want to add running around to that as well.

Lastly, to explain why it was an accident. This is a narrow channel, we know this. When you have two deep draft vessels in a narrow channel, hydrodynamics start to really come into play. What happened to the passing vessel is call bank suction. When the depth of water decreases, the stern of the boat starts to shear to the shallow side of the channel. This caused the bow to head to port. It's a fine line and once it starts, and not corrected in a timely manner, can't be stopped with ships this size. These aren't capable at maneuvering vessels, they are made for open ocean and going straight.

Here's a short rundown of it for those who are ignorant of bank effects:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_effect

Crap happens, and it has probably been done that same way before many times. Both are going to be found a fault. The passing ship should have been more prudent and not tried to overtake. And the standon vessel could have avoided it by not agreeing with the overtaking situation in the first place. The master of the overtaking vessel could have said no, we're not overtaking in this narrow channel because of possible bank suction.

But in any case, no professional mariner, not myself, not one, would want to purposely cause a collision or allision or any maritime casualty for that matter. Its license revocation, loss of employment, possible fines, possible criminal charges and jail time, possible loss of life on your hands, why would anyone want that?
 
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