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As I sit here contemplating my glass of scotch, I have this nagging question. Is my boat a ketch or a schooner? The masts are identical in height as are the sail dimensions. The designers call her a ketch, but I believe the purists would call her a schooner. I would be grateful for your insights. In the interim I will refill my glass and enter further contemplation

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It's really a ketch.. but since you live in America you're allowed to call it a schooner. :p
 

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Depends on the mast positions. If the aft mast is aft the rudder, it's a y'all rigged schooner .If foreword of rudder it's just a schooner.otoh if the foreward mast is tight in the bow it's a cat rigged ketch unless the aft mast makes it a cat rigged y'all .All very simple until you start adding yards.My favourite is the hymorphrodite brigantine cat rigged y'all schooner
 

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Sounds like a schooner.. what boat is she?
 

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It's an Oz thing. If I were a pommy bastard, I'd say its because they live upside down and go walkabout in the desert sun. Thank heavens I'm not a pommy.
 

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Schooner. No doubt. I'm a ketch man myself but if I were in your shoes I'd hop at the chance to call my boat a schooner. You'll get more chicks AND more approving nods from the guys with the beards and the corn cob pipes.
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Thanks Med. With my white hair, I probably fit in with the corn cob pipes and beards. As for the chicks, I'm not sure I would how to handle one let alone more. Although they do say you never forget how to ride a bicycle.

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From your description, I was sure it was a schooner. But then you mentioned she was a Freedom 40, which has ALWAYS been called a cat ketch. I have never, since they first came out (1976) and were reviewed in the sailing magazines, heard one single person refer to the Freedom 40 as a schooner. I'm afraid I would bow to old Lewis Francis Herreshoff on this one guys; Freedom 40, Hoyt/Herreshoff Cat-ketch 1976.
 

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Interesting. Same height masts on a gaff or Marconi rig would be a schooner. Why then if the booms are wishbone booms would she suddenly become a ketch?
 

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Interesting. Same height masts on a gaff or Marconi rig would be a schooner. Why then if the booms are wishbone booms would she suddenly become a ketch?
Actaully, Med - I hate to break it to you but according to convention (and Wikipedia), a schooner has the foremast shorter than the mainmast; all else is a ketch, or something else:

Schooner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Thank you all for your responses. In summary, many favor her being a schooner (and more of a chick magnet). Others favor the Herresoff/Wikepedia position that she is ketch.
So should I be accurate (+ more chicks) or follow Herreshoff. I think more contemplation (whisky) is required.

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Based on mast placement I'd still go with Schooner, I think, but the designer oughta know...

 

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FWIW. When Morgan introduced the Morgan 60, with equal height main and mizzen masts, they described it as "a modern schooner".



Morgan 60 drawing on sailboatdata.com
Hull Type: Fin with rudder on skeg Rig Type: 2 Mst. Schooner
LOA: 59.92' / 18.26m LWL: 50.00' / 15.24m
Beam: 15.83' / 4.82m Listed SA: 1400 ft2 / 130.06 m2
Draft (max.) 6.67' / 2.03m Draft (min.)
Disp. 60000 lbs./ 27216 kgs. Ballast: 19000 lbs. / 8618 kgs.
SA/Disp.: 14.68 Bal./Disp.: 31.67% Disp./Len.: 214.29
Designer: Morgan Yachts
Builder: Morgan Yachts
Construct.: FG Bal. type:
First Built: 1980 Last Built: # Built:
AUXILIARY POWER (orig. equip.)
Make: Perkins Model:
Type: Diesel HP: 130
TANKS
Water: 500 gals. / 1892 ltrs. Fuel: 340 gals. / 1287 ltrs.
 
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