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Hello Everyone, I was just wondering what is the biggest baddest most seaworthy, safest, unsinkable thick haul overbuilt like a tank if you hit rocks, sail around the world boat that is still easy to haul around and launch at the boat ramp? Are the old 70's hulls built tougher with the hand laid fiberglass?

I see a guy down the street from me has a 30 ft on a trailer, is that the biggest size limit for easy trailering? It weighs 7,000 pounds, I've got a 10,000 pound hitch so I can go bigger, I would like to go as big as possible.

We also need something easy to learn how to sail on, my wife and I are gonna buy a boat, I already bought Sailing for Dummies at Amazon.com for 28 cents plus 3.99 shipping, in Very Good Condition with "No Visible wear marks" lol and we are gonna go for it on our own, take it out and float around in circles until we learn how to sail.

I guess it's not that hard to learn and many others have done it this way? I always thought it was hard to learn. I want to get something we will not outgrow, I want a hard core boat because we do indeed intend to sail it around the world someday. But she works all the time and I have more time off so I need something that is easy to sail by myself as well.

Also what was the largest model sailboat that Boston Whaler ever made? I see a 22 ft Harpoon for sale on ebay but it is in Califorina and I am in Tampa Florida. What all years did Boston Whaler make sailboats and how can I find one? Where is the best place for me to find boats for sale? So a boat like I am describing, what would be the pick for $20,000 what would be the pick for $10,000 and what would be the pick for $5,000? Thanks
 

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Well this topic should garner as many opinions as there are skippers I am sure. Rather than trying to answer all your questions, there is much to consider and will in due course once those of experience feel ambition to share, I will start the commentary by saying you are, in my opinion on the right track with considering older boats to begin your first sailing endeavours. I would like to offer my opinion before we enter a discourse on boats, is it is vital to gain the necessary training and experience before committing to a boat. Bring safe on the water is paramount not only for yourself but others as well. Operating a boat takes coordination of effort and the rules for navigation are complicated. Sailing looks simple but it is not. Not a first anyway. Take some basic sail and navigation courses before embarking on the adventure. Join a yacht club, get involved, get to know other sailors, pick their brain we love taking boats, and get out on as many different boats as you can. In this way gaining knowledge and experience is key to prepare so the dream does not become a nightmare.
 

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If you want a big sailboat that is easy to launch at the local boat ramp, most likely, you will be looking at a boat with a swing keel. Just so you know, for sailing around the world, among other things, you want a heavy, fixed keel. When I say heavy, I'm talking something in the range of the keel weight being at least 35-40% or more of the total boat weight.
So a 10,000# boat would have a keel of at least 3500#'s.

Some years ago, I had a Catalina 30 with a 5' draft fin keel. Nice coastal cruiser boat, not built to cross oceans, although I've read it has been done. With that deep draft, the boat is obviously not going to be easy to launch from a trailer. If memory serves me, my boat was a little over 10,000 #'s with a keel weight exceeding 4000 #'s

In other words, a boat light enough to be easily trailerable isn't going to have the guts made to cross oceans
 

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The only unsinkable boat I know of was the Titanic. There is no such thing as a trailerable easy to launch blue water sailboat. A few popular boats that can be put on a trailer are the Nor'sea 27 Falmouth Cutter 22 Dana 24. They are a fairly big nightmare to rig and launch and you wouldn't want to do it often. Of the three I would suggest the Dana 24 for many reasons but all are excellent boats and VERY small. Whats your Budget?
 

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First, considering the nature of boats and the nature of highways the limitations are more likely to be imposed by the various state highway commissions than by boating parameters.

First figure out how big (actually wide) you can handle. This varies somewhat by state and due to the costs and aggravations of over width permits effectively puts a limit on your beam width. Weight and length are limits that are tied to beam width and won't be a problem. (I know of no 60 ft boats with a beam less than 8 ft.) As far as weight it has to weigh less than water. That's a pretty easy hurdle as most roads allow about 90,000 lbs.

First then find out what you can tow and go from there. I suspect that you will be limited to a few narrow boats in the 28-32 ft range and a gross weight of 7,500- 10,000
lbs. That's pretty tight for passage making (you run out of space pretty quick.) However they would be towable. Ya pays yer money and takes yer choice.
 

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How much do you want to spend? Something like a Carkeek 40 would certainly meet the design brief, but frankly buy a boat now to learn to sail on, then when you are ready to sail the world buy a different boat.

The Carkeek by the way is trailerable thanks to a hydrolic tilt trailor and can be launched at any yacht club dinghy hoist.
 

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Reuel Parker has a line of "MAXI-TRAILERABLE" boat designs.

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" Parker Marine has developed a new line of MAXI-TRAILERABLE BOATS, for both sail and power. These vessels are 46' and under in length, 10' beam, shallow-draft, and weigh 15,000 lbs or less. The concept is to provide cruising boats that can be transported and stored on standard 40' 3-axle trailers, eliminating the need for slips and boatyards which are rapidly turning into condos all over the American waterfront. The boats can be towed by a tow truck without permits or escort vehicles, or can be towed privately with only a wide load banner. "

'IBIS', by Reuel Parker



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"IBIS is the prototype MAXI-TRAILERABLE cruising sharpie schooner. IBIS is 51' 4" LOA, 10' Beam, 2' 6" Draft (7' 8" Board Down), 42' LWL. Her displacement is 14,500lbs and her empty trailer weight is 12,000lbs. Construction is very strong, and sail trials have been made in the Bahamas. IBIS felt safe and comfortable during four Gulf Stream crossings as well as several other open-ocean passages. She navigated the remote Bights of Andros twice in 2010, and she ran Abaco Rage twice in 2011; both using inside passages no deep-draft vessel could even dream about! I sailed IBIS to the Bahamas again in 2012, and found her to be the ideal boat for gunkholing among the islands, sounds and creeks of the Bahamas. She exceeded my hopes and expectations, and proved to me beyond a doubt that properly designed and built sharpies can be seaworthy and seakindly. IBIS is presently in the Florida Keys, sailing with her new owner!"

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there is a great article on this months good old boat about the c and c mega 30

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=732

people either love or hate that design...I for one love it as it looks like a mini open 60 with the bulb cabin top and open transom and fin bulb keel

right at 8 feet beam for legal trailering(unless you get a trucking permit) and around 6k(gear and all) or so displacement plus trailer its about as big as you can go without getting into trouble

I found the article real interesting especially regarding performance and fun factor as well as $$$ compared to a new boat or something...

anywhoo

I plan on trailer sailing my merit 25 down to the florida coast and dream of taking it down there for a season then coming back or whatnot to georgia...or taking the boat to savannah and sailing there then coming back home etc...Ill be at 4,500 or so with trailer...
 

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Wow thanks for all of the responses. My budget is $5,000, and by keeping it on a trailer I am mainly trying to avoid slip fees and it will be nice to have it right in the yard to work on and fix up without having to drive to a marina, and I don't want to be stuck at any one marina.

Plus the kids can climb on it and play pirates, my wife and I can practice raising and lowering the sails and what not, and I just want to sit up there, drink a beer, and look overtop of all the houses up and down the street, and be King of the Mountain!

I know everything there is to know about powerboating, I've had US Power Squadrons School, Coast Guard Aux School, US Navy Watercraft Operator School and US Army Watercraft Operator School plus I've been on fishing boats all my life, for more years than I care to mention. I know that sailboats always have the right of way, powerboats will just go around me, I can't go fast enough or change course quick enough to hit anybody, So I fail to see how I could cause any problems anywhere.

Being that I was an Army Combat Engineer the challenge is I want to prove to myself that I can figure it out myself, and plus my wife and I can say we learned ourselves from the dummy book lol we want those bragging rights so it is kind of a personal challenge for us, a teamwork thing. Taking lessons would be cheating, that makes it too easy, I wanna learn by the seat of my pants Old School style like a Viking! I read somewhere that sailing was relatively easy, that anybody can be taught the basics in two hours, and that there were three accepted ways to learn.

One was taking lessons, one was doing ride alongs with other sailors, and the other was buying a boat and taking out yourself just like I am talking about and they said a lot of people have done it this way.

Yes I thought about buying a trainer boat, and then getting a bluewater one later, that's the plan, but I just want to get the biggest baddest training boat there is so we do not outgrow it for a while.

So I willing just be towing it down the street to the boatramp mainly, and our biggest trip will be between Tampa and Key West probably, so sounds like I am looking for a coastal cruiser you guys call it. And it sounds like I am looking for a swing-keel, whatever that is. Once again, Thanks for all the nice responses
 

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I would hope your "Sailing for Dummies" would have a section regarding different types of keels and a swing keel would be described. if not, google types of sailboat keels.

you might want to also google blue water boats vs. coastal cruisers. There's a big difference, not only in design but $$$.
 

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Is this a Good Deal? Is that a swing keel?

Offered is a Luger Voyager. It is a 30ft X 8 ft X3 ft draw @7000lb sloop. It is a 1980 model, I've owned it since 1992. Dont be trapped by dock fees or fear of hurricanes when your not sailing. "Designed by the well knownwest coast design firm of Edwin Monk & associates in collaboration with the luger staff and Eric White (designer of theMorgan Outisland series of crusing sailboats) she has a full keel that draws 3 feet and has a swing keel drawing 6 feet for stronger seas. She has some gelcoat cracks topside cockpit floor but nothing major. This was a kit boat, I built most of the inside. It has a V berth porta pot,dining set, love seat, galley nav station and bunk under cockpit. Blueprints, like new sails and cushions are included. It has $800 in new tires and rails on the trailer. I built a new rudder that needs sanding and paint. I also have an 18hp Nissan with a custom 45 watt alternator for charging a battery bank at sea. Someone could ready this boat in a week and be sailing in style and on budget the next.$4500 call Andy for more info
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So wait a newb comes on here, and wants to buy the biggest trailerable sailboat he can, under 10,000lbs, so he can sail the high seas, and wants to do it under $5000... and nobody here has blasted him yet?

I think there are people with 40+ footers that are proven bluewater cruisers that some here would STILL say isn't enough.

Probably the best advice on sailboats I've ever heard I will share with you....
Sailboats can be:
Fast
Trailerable
Seaworthy/comfortable

you can only pick 2 from the above list.

There are TONS of transportable sailboats... I would NOT call transportable, trailerable. Trailerable is usually limited to boats that are easily launched FROM the trailer. Transportable boats bring you to the edge of the water, and either a LIFT, specialized truck, or crane lifts the boat and puts it in the water...

There are keel and deck stepped masts... Keel stepped masts are a BEAR to raise yourself (even with 4-5-6 people), they are generally considered to be the preferred configuration for larger "blue water," boats. Deck stepped is like it sounds, attached to the cabintop... those masts can easily (relatively speaking) be raised... with a gin pole or A-frame.

Honestly if you are serious about what you are asking (and the question is a little to ripe with key points that I am leery its not a setup), and trailerable is one of your big criteria, you should consider the trailer sailing forum, over at tsbb.

The boat that comes to mind for me to fit as best it can, your points... (at least 2 of them), is the Flicka 20.. Good luck finding one for under $5000
The Flicka 20 Sailboat : Bluewaterboats.org Taking this little tank for a long voyage would not be comfortable by any stretch of the description, but it might well do it. Slightly bigger and recommended on the same page the Contessa 26 might be a worthwhile choice...

Welcome, and please learn to sail first... preferably on something small in protected waters... when you can calmly and easily handle 40 knot winds.. consider venturing on short coastal jaunts next, but only then.
 

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In my original post I asked for a $20,000 pick, a $10,000 pick and a $5,000 pick then 2 guys respond and ask what my budget was after I had clearly stated it the first time, so I just said $5,000 when they asked to see what the cheapest option would be first.

There was a point when you were new, Is that the point of this forum, To Blast people? Or is it to help people? If you do not want to help why are you even on here,

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I said big and you come at me with a 20 footer?

and the question is a little to ripe with key points that I am leery its not a setup), and trailerable is one of your big criteria, you should consider the trailer sailing

Exsqueeze Me? What is ripe about my question? A Setup? What are you even talking about, and why would it be a setup.nd what do you even mean my setup?

What are you some kind of paranoid half a Wack Job?
 

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Hey thanks bljones, Now we are getting somewhere, I like this clipper 32 of which you speak. I have been finding 30 footers for sale on trailers, and nothing bigger so I thought that was the limit but looks like 32 is.

Are you talking about the sloop or the ketch? I am grooving on that aft cabin ketch, that's a lot of boat, can that be launched loaded fairly easily? I am very good at the boat ramp.

Do they have blistering problems? One guy said he had steel keel rust problems but only because the previous owner did not keep up on the zincs. Somebody said they have a tendency to rot out towards the bow?

Do you know of any problem areas on this boat? Somebody said it was slow, I don't care, and stable so easy to sail single handedly, but it has trouble keeping the bow high enough or something like that?

Say I wanna buy an aft cabin 32 ketch, is that gonna be hard to find? Where should I look? Dude that might be me right there, I love this boat, nice lines too and an aft cabin would be awesone! I wonder if that model would be too heavy, wonder how much weight that aft cabin ads, I'm gonna go look at it some more.

So now, thanks to you, my new question is gonna be what all trailerable 32's are out there? If that is the only one, Then sold! Thanks man!
 

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Before you do anything, check out local boat ramps where people may be launching sailboats. Talk to people who actually do it. I doubt you will ever find anyone launching anything bigger than 22', maybe 25'. See what is involved in launching, raising the mast and setting the standing rigging.. Once you see all That is involved and the time it takes, you will probably rethink your plans. launching and retrieving a 30-32 footer is something you only do once a year...not to go for an afternoon or even weekend sail.
 

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Thanks for your concern, but Dude I'm a CDL truck driver I back trailers all day long. I've got a 27ft Twin engine Flybridge Sportfisherman that weighs 8,500 pounds that I launch every weekend, I only live one mile away from the ramp that heads out to tampa bay. So's this sailboat ain't that much bigger, and I am only going one mile with it.

Ive got a big motorhome with a hitch ball on the front so I drive down the ramp headfirst so I can see good. Ain't No Rookie's on THIS BUS!

But yeah your right, it's not something for the inexperienced or puny wimpy girly-men like DROOL.

It is looking like this Clipper 32 is the only trailerable 32 ever made so my choice was made easy, plus the wife and I both just LOVE it, What a sexy beast! An engineering marvel to be that big and still light enough to trailer like that.

The slip fees here in Tampa are beyond ridiculous, No way I am throwing that kinda mass cash away. I'm gonna take that money and wine and dine my wife instead. I'm also tired of pouring gas into this Sportfisherman, so I'm gonna punt it for some free wind power, then the old lady can get some new clothes instead of wasting it on gas. How about That?

And it will be nice to have it right next to the house to work on, Hmm maybe I'll make my Mother in Law sleep in it next time she comes to visit! My kids will have fun climbing all the way up there and camping overnight in it, Poof! Instant Tree house! I'll run em a zip line down to an oak tree for easy dismounts! They'll Love that!

Plus I can pull it around and use it for a travel trailer as well. Can't wait to pull into Walmart with this Pirate Ship! I'll save money on hotel rooms. The only long haul is gonna be hauling it home, but hey I'll go to Seattle if I have to, that's what I do, That's How I Roll!

Thanks for all the help everybody,

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