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What I have found is boaters, sailor and power alike, are among the friendliest of people I have ever met. I am merely repaying the kindness others have shown me and continue to do so. Anything I can do to help. :)
I have always found sailors to be helpful but, until I started sailing on the bay, I really couldn't say the same for power boaters. a lot of those guys, fishing in their full camouflage ( to hide from the fish? ) on the lakes I have sailed, are buttholes. down on the bay, it's different. power boaters are ok on the bay.
 

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Bathroom: It will take considerable effort and resources to convert that fuel cell to a holding tank. Waste will need to be pumped a long way back and up into that tank and what a mess you will have if, after a night of celebration, someone tries to flush a dead beaver through. Ugh.. Don't laugh.. been there, done that! LOL Additionally, a solution will be needed for pump out from that location. If a holding tank for the potty is really set deep and true into your desires, I would look at what you can fabricate and install BELOW the head. That way you can utilize gravity and some existing help that came with the boat. IE: Pump out features that were build into the boat. :)
ok. then that's what I will do. never turn down good advice from people who flush dead beavers down the toilet. lol
 

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I would take everything the marine owner will give you. You can use the sailing paraphernalia you don't use to barter for things you may need. Your boat can accommodate a smaller jib in addition to the main job. You will see the ring on the mast just under the steaming light and you will see the track directly on the deck towards the bow. For the jib, look for a 120 but no more than a 180. We'll talk more about sails later. But, I wanted you to know as you go through the sails available.
yeah. that's what I was going to do. I figure that, even if I don't have the optimal sails, all the extra sails they are giving me should help acquire what I want.

sail advice would be great, since you know the boat and I don't. not really worried about a spinnaker. I will usually be under crewed and I can always sail wing and wing, if I need. I did notice the different tracks.

what do you think about roller furling jibs? I was thinking I could do a genoa and the main, using the roller furler to reduce the jib area.
 

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what do you think about roller furling jibs? I was thinking I could do a genoa and the main, using the roller furler to reduce the jib area.
Jack.. especially early on, but really in general and esp when going upwind using a roller to 'reef' a jib is far from ideal. You'd be way better off with a properly sized jib for the conditions (by all means roll it up to furl it - that's convenient and there's even a safety aspect to that when shorthanded.)

I'd suggest that you start out with a 100%-ish jib until you get the hang of things, getting caught in puffs as you learn the balance and steering of this new-to-you boat will be less dramatic. A genoa will help in light air, esp since you're so 'hardcore', but it won't take a lot of wind to be able to move nicely without a large headsail. Tacking is also sooo much easier with the smaller sail.

But.... one of the wisest bits of advice often given to new owners is 'sail the boat as is for a season before deciding on any changes'... you may well find that fewer changes are needed, or those that are are not ones you first considered.
 
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Engine: Well, if you aren't going to be performing any public services, I would look at a minimum, a 12 horse. You'll thank me later if you decide to take my advise. When powering in against 15 - 20 knots of wind, you'll think of me and smile. :) I took pics as promised. I was going to take a video but found a dead battery on my cam. Sorry - I'll take a vid this weekend.
 

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Auto-Furling: If you are going to be under crewed most of the time, definitely invest in that little nicety! The one I had didn't work very well the first season. However, after some tweaking, I couldn't imagine life without it! LOL I can get you the make and model that is on mine for a starting point/reference if you like.
 

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I have always found sailors to be helpful but, until I started sailing on the bay, I really couldn't say the same for power boaters. a lot of those guys, fishing in their full camouflage ( to hide from the fish? ) on the lakes I have sailed, are buttholes. down on the bay, it's different. power boaters are ok on the bay.
You are an observant and freakishly clever man. I would agree with you on assessments of these 'fishermen' in the wild. However, I would, with you permission, like to qualify this out a tad more. Those species I would not consider "Boaters" per se. They merely use boats as fishing platforms as dear hunters use trees to ambush Bambie's. Sorry if I offended anyone. LOL To be fair, fisherman here in the Midwest are very nice folks and just as helpful. I'm sorry the courtesies of these folks don't extend out by you. Remember, just stay calm, smile, and have a beer. :)
 

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so, neither of you think it's a good idea to use the furler to reef but it's good to have one to furl up the sail, when striking the jib? michael, thanks for posting the pics. i will takle a look at them in just a min. a recommendation on a good furler would be great. is there a type of furling system where you don't have to modify your head sail? i suppose that's not a huge issue. i have quite a few extra sails, that they put in the boat for me. i am sure that i can get some barter mileage out of them.

as far as using what i have before changing up, i presently am not sure what i have. i haven't had a chance to inventory.

i went to the boat between work and class, tonight. i installed the new temporsary door hatch and door. i say temporary because i built them out of materials i just had around; old plywood and some strips of azak. i painted the hatch white. i wanted to close off the boat, from nature, as soon as possible. i will take a bit more time and make a 'good' door hatch completely out of azak and a door out of a nicer piece of wood. i don't have azak that size, or i would use azak.

you guys are right. there was a motor. the fuel cap is where you said it would be. the shaft is still in the boat. it wasn't glassed over. i didn't get a chance to see if it still turns. it was getting dark fast and i wanted to get that hatch on there. the motor mounts are still there. i think it must have been removed because it stopped working. the outboard mount is a nice one, not just a piece of wood bolted to the transom.

anyhow, does te shaft still being there give me any options to put in an inboard, that would be cost effective? or should i just go with an outboard?

and, if i do just opt for the outboard, should i remove the shaft, when it is hauled, and glass the hole shut? do i have to worry about the shaft being a leak threat?
 

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You are an observant and freakishly clever man. I would agree with you on assessments of these 'fishermen' in the wild. However, I would, with you permission, like to qualify this out a tad more. Those species I would not consider "Boaters" per se. They merely use boats as fishing platforms as dear hunters use trees to ambush Bambie's. Sorry if I offended anyone. LOL To be fair, fisherman here in the Midwest are very nice folks and just as helpful. I'm sorry the courtesies of these folks don't extend out by you. Remember, just stay calm, smile, and have a beer. :)
i can never figure that camoflage for fishing thing. do they really think the fish will just think they are bushes floating in the middle of the lake? but you are right. they aren't boaters as in people who love boats. they are boat users.
 
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I've posted pics. I hope they help. I will take a video this weekend as promised. Please let me know if you need close ups of anything.
wow. you really went above and beyong. labels on the pics, even! thanks. i saved them to my computer to refer to as needed. does yours havean adjustable back stay?
 

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so, neither of you think it's a good idea to use the furler to reef but it's good to have one to furl up the sail, when striking the jib? michael, thanks for posting the pics. i will takle a look at them in just a min. a recommendation on a good furler would be great. is there a type of furling system where you don't have to modify your head sail? i suppose that's not a huge issue. i have quite a few extra sails, that they put in the boat for me. i am sure that i can get some barter mileage out of them.
I use my furler to reef all the time and the old salty dawgs of LM captains I learned from also used them to reef. I would think its what ever floats your boat. I'll get you the specs on the unit I have. I contacted the installer and its bolt on unit without any further adjustments to the sail. Let me know when you get to that point and I will send you a piece of hardware that will save you AT LEAST 40,000 grey hairs.
 

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wow. you really went above and beyong. labels on the pics, even! thanks. i saved them to my computer to refer to as needed. does yours havean adjustable back stay?
You're welcome - let me know if you need the original images. They are 2.4mb each with high resolution which will allow you to zoom in so close you can see a gnats arse! Sailnet obviously has something against gnats arses and wouldn't let me upload them; or, could be the size restriction. Not sure.
 

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you guys are right. there was a motor. the fuel cap is where you said it would be. the shaft is still in the boat. it wasn't glassed over. i didn't get a chance to see if it still turns. it was getting dark fast and i wanted to get that hatch on there. the motor mounts are still there. i think it must have been removed because it stopped working. the outboard mount is a nice one, not just a piece of wood bolted to the transom.

anyhow, does te shaft still being there give me any options to put in an inboard, that would be cost effective? or should i just go with an outboard?

and, if i do just opt for the outboard, should i remove the shaft, when it is hauled, and glass the hole shut? do i have to worry about the shaft being a leak threat?
Wow - Lots of good stuff to chew on here! Well, if I were in your position, I would find this an awesome opportunity to do a cost comparison. Lets look at the outboard option:

Outboard: You'll need to purchase an outboard. You'll need to do something about that shaft as I'll bet my first born there's a prop attached to that and drag on that prop will be a huge drag when you're out sailing and find yourself next to another boat and want to embarrass them in front of their women. As you know, anytime there are two sailboats, its an automatic race. lol :)

Note: There is a safety consideration to take into consideration. Having a hole in the bottom of your boat that's not being used would really make me nervous, especially if the boat hasn't been used for sailing in a number of years. If you decide to go the way of an outboard, I would get that old shaft removed and glassed over. (add to cost of outboard)

Boat was designed to have an engine. Therefore, you will need to consider the dynamics of the boat and how she will sail without that ballast in place. My Vire weighs about 250lbs plus 200lbs gallons of gas (8lbs per gal x 25 gal)

Replace Inboard: In my opinion, just the cleaner option of the two. A replacement engine probably about 500 bucks. uses existing shaft and prop. Dynamics of the boat stay true. You could use the existing outboard mount for back up engine. Safety is everything.

With that said - I will be interested in seeing how you manage these challenge as there is lots to learn here. :)
 

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wow. you really went above and beyond. labels on the pics, even! thanks. i saved them to my computer to refer to as needed. does yours have an adjustable back stay?
My backstay is NOT adjustable and is a YOCH' to thread. Took us 6 grown men, a puppy, and 7 year old to get my twin backstays on. Not fun.
 

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I use my furler to reef all the time and the old salty dawgs of LM captains I learned from also used them to reef. I would think its what ever floats your boat. I'll get you the specs on the unit I have. I contacted the installer and its bolt on unit without any further adjustments to the sail. Let me know when you get to that point and I will send you a piece of hardware that will save you AT LEAST 40,000 grey hairs.
cool. that wqould be great. bolt on with no sail mods. awesome. what piece of hardware is that?
 

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My backstay is NOT adjustable and is a YOCH' to thread. Took us 6 grown men, a puppy, and 7 year old to get my twin backstays on. Not fun.
lol. yeah. mine has a set up on it that allows you to tighten or loosen it. it still has the usual turn buckles at the ends of the stays. I have a pic that might show it. let me see...

yes. I do have a pic that shows it:

ok. well that didn't work. internet server error. whatever that means. I will try later.

man. I keep trying to upload that pic but it just can't seem to do it.
 

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Wow - Lots of good stuff to chew on here! Well, if I were in your position, I would find this an awesome opportunity to do a cost comparison. Lets look at the outboard option:

Outboard: You'll need to purchase an outboard. You'll need to do something about that shaft as I'll bet my first born there's a prop attached to that and drag on that prop will be a huge drag when you're out sailing and find yourself next to another boat and want to embarrass them in front of their women. As you know, anytime there are two sailboats, its an automatic race. lol :)

Note: There is a safety consideration to take into consideration. Having a hole in the bottom of your boat that's not being used would really make me nervous, especially if the boat hasn't been used for sailing in a number of years. If you decide to go the way of an outboard, I would get that old shaft removed and glassed over. (add to cost of outboard)

Boat was designed to have an engine. Therefore, you will need to consider the dynamics of the boat and how she will sail without that ballast in place. My Vire weighs about 250lbs plus 200lbs gallons of gas (8lbs per gal x 25 gal)

Replace Inboard: In my opinion, just the cleaner option of the two. A replacement engine probably about 500 bucks. uses existing shaft and prop. Dynamics of the boat stay true. You could use the existing outboard mount for back up engine. Safety is everything.

With that said - I will be interested in seeing how you manage these challenge as there is lots to learn here. :)
well, that list leads to two more questions.

some of these were made for an outboard. do they have more ballast to make up the difference? and...

if the shaft is a leak risk, not being used, do you think it might be a leak problem if I hook a new inboard into it?

I have been looking at electric inboards. no prices yet. probably way too expensive for me.
 

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one thing I wish the boat did have is a topping lift. I really don't know if it's worth all the effort of trying to ascend the mats to put one on it, though.
 

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one thing I wish the boat did have is a topping lift. I really don't know if it's worth all the effort of trying to ascend the mats to put one on it, though.
Yeah - The topping lift is super nice; especially when you bring the main down. Whats keeping your boom up now? I think sooner or later you will need to de-mast to have a look at your steaming lights and blocks at the top of the mast. Mine needed serious cleaning and steaming lights needed to be reworked. But, I think If you plan it correctly, you can do it all at once. I run three sheets. Main, Jib, and Spinnaker.
 
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