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Hello all this is my first thread. I just joined sailnet, but I have been snooping around getting advise while I have been looking to buy a sailboat. I was all ready to buy a Ranger 26, when I saw a Macgregor 25. The Ranger 26 did not have a trailer and finding out what kind of trailer it needs has proved to be difficult. Basically, I want a sailboat that I can tow as I have space at home to keep it and no money to pay for a slip. The Macgregor comes with a trailer so that makes it easy from the get go. From what I have read it seems that the Ranger 26 is the better boat, but I just wanted to get some help and input from those that have more experience than I do. Thanks, all suggestions are welcomed and if you know of other sailboats that you think would be better suited for me and my family (basically just want a weekender boat to sail the channel islands with) I'm all ears!. thanks again.
 

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I'd say the Ranger 26 has it all over the Mac. Te Ranger is a superb Gary Mull design that is still winning PHRF races in the PNW. It's a very good looking boat and strongly built.

I have a friend who owned 2 Ranger 26's. He is a very experienced racer and he loves the 26.
 

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Thanks I agree with you. You wouldn't happen to know what kind of trailer I would need to trailer it? the current owner has no idea. I've looked online, but with my inexperience I have not really found a answer. thanks.
 

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A Ranger 26 has a pretty deep fin keel, displaces almost 6000 lbs, and has a beam a tad over 8.5 feet. Trailering such a boat is possible, but you're gonna' need a pretty hefty tow vehicle, a custom-made trailer, and (technically) even a wide-load permit. Chances are that you'll also need to launch it with a hoist, rather than at a ramp. On the other hand, as Bob indicated, the Ranger will sail circles around the Mac.

Here's a pic of one on a trailer that I found on the Net:

 

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Thank you so much! The trailering information was so helpful. But now it seems as thought trailering it is not a real viable option, which is somthing else to consider. However, I agree that it will be the better boat on the water by far! I love that boat. Thanks again.
 

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I used to own a Catalina 25 and trailered it a few times but it is not an easy task to put the mast up and down so I ended up keeping it in the water. Steping the mast was more than I could do myself. The boat I traded in for my C-25 was a Catalina 22 which I kept on a trailer. It was a great weekend boat. Set up and take down was about a 40 minute ordeal but stepping the mast I could handle myself with the cheep cradle I made to hold the mast in. I do not know about Macgregers now but when I was buying my Catalina's in the 70's and 80's the Macgregers were cheaper in cost and construction so I stayed away from them. Used Catalina's are plentiful, the company still supports the old boats with parts, and there is an active owners association for them.
 

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Thanks FindRichard!;

It's funny because I originally wanted a Catalina 25. I heard nothing but, great things about them. Then when I looked into things I started to hear negative things about them. Course I totally ignored Macgregors because of what I had heard about them, then I saw a lot for sail and heard good things about them. Bottom line is I will continue to look at everything that comes up until something looks right, feels right, or I guess whenever i just open the wallet and take the plunge. I just don't want to jump in too fast and get myself into a nightmare. Thats one of the reason I love this site because there is so much information on sailboats and what to look for. Plus the added knowledge and different perspectives helps out even more! Thanks again and I'll keep posting and updating!
 

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Hi Learningtosail
I can only comment on the Macgregor 25, as that is what I have. To start with she is easy to trailer, even when she is loaded with what you need for the day or weekend you are probably looking at about 3500lbs including trailer, a van with a v6 will pull it with no problem, though saying that I would put a tranny cooler on it if towing it for any distance. Set up is not difficult a mast raising system would definitely help here though. Launching again is not difficult, I have the rudder and motor (8hp) attached and she floats off the trailer quite easy, just remember to have both a stern and bow line attached.
From my own point of view I like my Mac, she is quite forgiving and she sails quite well. I enjoy going out for the day or overnight with my wife we have a lot of fun and most of all time together.
There is also a Mac web site just do a search, those guys are great with lots of help and advise. Good luck with your decision and let us know how you made out.
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The Ranger is the superior sailing vessel in this lineup, but given the OP's financial limitations and desire to trailer the boat, I recommend a Catalina 22 or the Mac 25.

I'm no fan of the Mac 25 personally, but it definitely fills a need, and the OP is a classic example of that need. A Catalina 25 will be much harder to tow and launch than the M-25.

Often what ends up happening, is the M-25 owner will discover the joys of sailing, and upgrade to a better sailboat later when their life circumstances can support it.
 

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I love my Catalina 25, but it is clearly a boat that can be trailered and not a trailer-sailer. Many have swing keels that make launch and retrieve much easier and it is still not easy.

I think the OP should look for a Catalina 22 with a swing keel, or maybe a wing keel if there is a deep draft ramp close by.

The MacGregors I've seen have been very cheaply built.

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Thanks again. I'll look into the erickson. I really like the Ranger, but nobody seems to know what the right trailer size is for it, and I dont want to have to hoist it in everytime. However, i haven't ruled it out yet. Just more to look into. Thanks again for all your help.
 

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Thanks again. I'll look into the erickson. I really like the Ranger, but nobody seems to know what the right trailer size is for it, and I dont want to have to hoist it in everytime. However, i haven't ruled it out yet. Just more to look into. Thanks again for all your help.
If you can find a marina or YC with a big enough hoist and "mast up" storage, then "dry sailing" and launching with a hoist is pretty easy to get used to. It's a LOT less hassle than launching via a ramp, and a LOT easier on the trailer. The trailer will essentially have to be custom made, capable of a 7000 lb payload, probably with either two or three axles. Depending on exactly what you get it will probably run at least $3K, maybe quite a bit more. Of course, a used trailer might be a fraction of that, even after a shop modifies it to fit your boat.
 

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Thaks for all your help everyone. Hoisting doesn't sound as bad now. Also, as far as modifying a trailer....I have no problems with that. In fact, I have a friend who can do it, but I want to know what I need to make it right. Thanks again. My search continues.
 

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well the Ranger 26 I was looking at just sold :(, so the hunt goes on. I am bummed because yesterday I found out the MacCgregor I was contemplating was already sold, but I was not as sad as I have a cheaper one that comes with a trailer still in the mix. So I will continue to search until it all comes into place and I get my own boat. Thanks again for all the help.
 

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I used to own a Venture (before they became MacGregor). Great learning boat and easy to trailer and launch. Later on we moved up to an O'Day 22 shoal draft. Much better performance and still easy to trailer and launch. You might look for one of those. The Ericson would also be a good choice, though I am not certain how easy to trailer/launch. Previous posters talk about Catalina 22's; many at our marina in slips. Last year the Nationals in this class were held at our lake. All came on trailers except those in our marina. I would look closely at those, since there are so many and the association support is there.

Just my two cents.
 

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I actually am trying to get an appointment to view an O'Day 25 so its funny you mentioned it. I was wondering if maybe I should wait until the end of the season to buy....I really dont want to wait, but I hear prices are better then. But I still maintain when the right boat comes along it will all just happen.
 
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