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338 boats have been impounded by a new agency that has been visiting boats and checking paperwork. These boats are not allowed to leave Mexico or to move from the marina. No boats have been chained to the dock [ yet ].

See Latitude 38 - 'Lectronic Latitude for more details.

Talk about killing boat tourism !
 

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QUICK -- someone warn ZEEHAG!! :)
 

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Good article and fair warning. At first, I thought the documentation requirement seemed pretty straightforward and those that failed to comply had it coming. However, reading that you are considered guilty (improperly documented), if you simply are not on your boat when they come to check is typical 3rd world country. Then when they won't take you off the provisional embargo even when you appear with the documents later, smack like the corruption they are so widely known for. A few hundred US greenbacks would have probably released the embargo. The world can be an ugly place, and often is.
 

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We have friends stuck here at home with serious medical issues, and with a boat sitting at a marina there... I imagine they have been caught up in this and may not even know it. I think/hope they have a caretaker that will keep them informed.
 

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What's the possibility that some of these boats will be "requisitioned" by the Mexican government?
Wonder if it would be worth it to sail away and deal with US authorities upon arrival in the states?
 

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ok here is my take on it all..is a purge localized in the area in which a certain individual was mouthing off about falsified papers.
the area included banderas bay, golfo de california, and ensenada.. the places that person bragged about being able to find falsified papers. ...AND the timing was right...within 4 months of the postings, purge.
there is no such thing as coincidence.
federales who understand english and some of whom actually read forums and facebook....
napoleonic law as a legal basis,
and a mouthy person bragging on false papers and the location of same.. go figger.
as no jackboots came south of banderas bay , even to huatulco, and as no one south of banderas bay was jacked up, i cannot believe it was a coincidence that only those areas were targeted. the good thing is this 1 yr alleged veteran of mexico cruising is going to south pacific. should be interesting.

there is no mordida on west coast for checking into mexico nor in the maintenance of legal workings, unless you CHOOSE to give. and that is for buying a policeman when you wish your tienda protected. as most of us do not fit into that category, there is no problem except a single ignorant soul who could not stfu about things he knows nothing about.
i hope your friends boat is not one of the 338...if it is, they need to send someone to the sat to liberate it , with original papers of everything --.tip, document, visas, allllll...boat will be liberated within 4 months, sooner if you go to sat yourself.
as there are over 300 boats left in mexico at present with no owner present, i believe the mexican govt has been tolerating gringos quite well. we sail south and leave our unwanted boats in mexico... how would you deal with that insult??

btw--they do not want our boats...they have better ones. trust me i know. oh yes, and i am fine...didnt even smell federales here...
i HAVE been hearing a lot of comment about the arrogance and ignorance of ****** cruisers..might wanna clean up yer acts. lower yerselves a bit to not be so above them --they are a proud people with happy souls, even the overworked ones...accountability is a biig thing here...seems gringos ¡who leave boats here do not have accountability....

sat is tax office. they are approachable. donot offer mordida, as that is an insult nowadays. they brag on the fact usa is more corrupt than is mexico anymore..lol

dabnis--i find mexico no scarier than catskill, ny. is pleasant here with rules well spelled out and defined. obey laws and no problem. mouth off about falsified parers or illegalities and ruin life for over 300 souls who are perhaps innocents.
 

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there is no mordida on west coast for checking into mexico nor in the maintenance of legal workings, unless you CHOOSE to give. and that is for buying a policeman when you wish your tienda protected. as most of us do not fit into that category, there is no problem except a single ignorant soul who could not stfu about things he knows nothing about.
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as there are over 300 boats left in mexico at present with no owner present, i believe the mexican govt has been tolerating gringos quite well. we sail south and leave our unwanted boats in mexico... how would you deal with that insult??

btw--they do not want our boats...they have better ones. trust me i know. oh yes, and i am fine...didnt even smell federales here...
i HAVE been hearing a lot of comment about the arrogance and ignorance of ****** cruisers..might wanna clean up yer acts. lower yerselves a bit to not be so above them --they are a proud people with happy souls, even the overworked ones...accountability is a biig thing here...seems gringos ¡who leave boats here do not have accountability....

sat is tax office. they are approachable. donot offer mordida, as that is an insult nowadays. they brag on the fact usa is more corrupt than is mexico anymore..lol

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zeehag, that sexy avatar of yours is decidedly a Mexican girl so you are a Mexican in disguise. That's the only way I can understand your position:D:D:D

Have fun cruising on the South;),

Regards

Paulo
 

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pcp...you ENCOURAGE the abandonment of boats in mexico??
or is it that you encourage the spewing of words regarding falsifications of papers and bragging on the practicing of illegalities in a nation unknown to your self and those who you endanger with that spewing of words in a napoleonic law based nation.......
there is no such thing as coincidence, amigo. do not go into other nations and spew that you are allegedly knowing where in golfo de california/ sea of cortez the falsification of papers is being practiced. you will encourage the wrath of that federal government.
the ones being besmirched, the federales of mexico, do not like besmirchment. they punish this. deportation is only one means of punishing those visitors who speak against the people and place and govt. those not liking it here can leave and they will help.
my papers are 100percent legal and obtained thru legal channels, id est, the government branch that does that, inm. i have also been a walking billboard in favor of mexico. i like it here..folks are nice and life is good. the officials are fair minded and trying to rid the system of old bad habits by creating new ones that change with each newly elected regime. everything changes here when govt is voted and changed. i t is too bad we cannot do that in usa. it is a good practice.
i have friends who are federales because i was a dockmate in one instance and i helped judge the regatta,,,,was a kick... i mingle with locals, not isolate with others of like skin color and language.

oh, and pcp...which is a bad drug......i am full blooded usa founding fathers´ ancestors....but i am not so arrogant nor ignorant as to put that forward in my routine lifestyle.
 

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pcp...you ENCOURAGE the abandonment of boats in mexico??
or is it that you encourage the spewing of words regarding falsifications of papers and bragging on the practicing of illegalities in a nation unknown to your self and those who you endanger with that spewing of words in a napoleonic law based nation.......
there is no such thing as coincidence, amigo. do not go into other nations and spew that you are allegedly knowing where in golfo de california/ sea of cortez the falsification of papers is being practiced. you will encourage the wrath of that federal government.
the ones being besmirched, the federales of mexico, do not like besmirchment. they punish this. deportation is only one means of punishing those visitors who speak against the people and place and govt. those not liking it here can leave and they will help.
my papers are 100percent legal and obtained thru legal channels, id est, the government branch that does that, inm. i have also been a walking billboard in favor of mexico. i like it here..folks are nice and life is good. the officials are fair minded and trying to rid the system of old bad habits by creating new ones that change with each newly elected regime. everything changes here when govt is voted and changed. i t is too bad we cannot do that in usa. it is a good practice.
i have friends who are federales because i was a dockmate in one instance and i helped judge the regatta,,,,was a kick... i mingle with locals, not isolate with others of like skin color and language.
Zeehag coll down. I was being ironic. I appreciate your knowledge about Mexico and your attitude in what regards saying what you think.

Regarding mixing with others I am a typical Portuguese in what regards that. There is a Brazilian joke about the Portuguese: God made the black man and the white man. Portuguese made the "mulatos". Mulato is the result of a miscegenation but I don't know how to translate it in English I could use the word half-breed but that has a negative connotation while mulato has none.

Look at the Brazilian population, do you know of any country where miscegenation is so profound?

Have a nice Christmas.

Regards

Paulo
 

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ok.....you as well...bubba sed to say meouwry treesmass...he sed isnt politically incorrect, as i usually am....lol....

but , what i did say is necessary fro some folks who cruise to read.. sorry if i took out on you.. but is needed to be said...
watch , guys , what you say online in these places and fb, as the federales in mexico all have their own ipods..yes..and samsung galaxies, which sell here for only 150 usd......SOOOOOOOOOOO.. they ALL have fb pages and they all read the words written here and cf and all the other forums, and sailing places. one port cpt loves sailing anarchy...rodl....please be careful. and respectful


if the usa govt can do it, you KNOW others do it.......international inquisivitiveness....research....whatever it is, it does have a name and we are all watched not just by usa bumblers.
 

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zeehag, that sexy avatar of yours is decidedly a Mexican girl so you are a Mexican in disguise. That's the only way I can understand your position:D:D:D

Have fun cruising on the South;),

Regards

Paulo
that is no avatar, that is photo of her, I swear it is!

I hope this all gets sorted out. Sounds like the officials are over reacting. I was in Mexico a few years back and did feel quite safe. Biggest thing is to stay away from the drug cartels and there turf battles and you should be OK.
 

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itll all be fixed in a minute...there was an article in latitude 38 stating the same for baja haha goers only to be cleared up in a minute

if you want to talk about killing tourism there are many places other than mexico I could point out...mexico is by far the most tourist and cruiser friendly place in most of latin america...

cheers
 
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all folks have to do is take their papers to sat, the tax part of govt, and is done. liberation is that day for those who actually did this instead of cry and whine.
motivation makes the difference. those motivated to go to the tax bureau got freed. those waiting for the marinas to fix it for them are still waiting.... hhmmmmm
does that say something????
 

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dabnis--i find mexico no scarier than catskill, ny. is pleasant here with rules well spelled out and defined. obey laws and no problem. mouth off about falsified parers or illegalities and ruin life for over 300 souls who are perhaps innocents.
Z, as you are there and I am here, you must be right. However, after hearing of some of my friend's negative experiences while there, you can take my place. :D

Paul T
 

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sad to hear of negative experiences while cruising here.
part of the cruising experience is the locale..some places are more conducive to enjoyment than others.
some people dont flex well enough to be wanderers, which is essentially what cruising is..wandering and adventuring under sail.
i hope your friends were treated with respect here. mexico is a polite nation with much pride. yeah they have `problems, but where does not have problems any more....certainly not usa.
 

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you want to kill tourism?

as a salvadorean flagged boat, in my case they want to charge me(the salvadorean port authority) $40 bucks a pop to cruise from one port to another...in my country!

kind of like charging boats going from san francisco to halfmoon bay, just as stupid...

that crap kills tourism...not what this thread is about

cheers to all

lets all loosen up

almost christmas!

peace
 
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absolutely true

on a people to people level, or at work or in general I loved this when living in the U.S...those that were corrupt you just ignored or reported etc...basically there was a TRUST agreement between people that I loved...and admired...especialy in trade work.

I have been told that during the recession stuff like craigslist adds and forums and the like became hot spots for untrustworthy people...seems to be improving though.

corruption for example in latin america especially central america is exactly why we rank so low in torusim for example...or foreign investment...simply we are not trusted.

I might add that simply going by rankings on anything is a fine way of never leaving your couch!!! jajaja

just sayin

ps. I think this will clear up shortly however last latitude 38 update mentions that even they are baffled by this new government NIETO´s intentions

pss...nieto the new president is the returning candidate for PRI which was a controlled dictatorship for around almost a century before FOX came into power....PRI is BIG government, mass control, and big tax...so maybe this agency was created just to make some extra $$$

which happens all the time down here

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While a different subject Mexico has also added a tax to even enter their waters. A common long day sail or overnight sail from San Diego is to or around the Coronado Islands. Now to even enter the waters you need to fill out forms and pay fees or face the consequences.

When Mexico first started this a few months ago they just started stopping boats and demanding compliance but now they have a system in order to collect and enforce this. Most people I know have just stopped going there.

SPORT FISHING AND NAUTICAL TOURISM
lf you are a foreigner and want to enter Mexican Territory by sea with recreational, sports , or leisure purposes or to practice any recreational water activity and you are on board a vessel intended solely for personal pleasure of her owners and not pro fit oriented. lt has never been easier!

THE STEPS TO FOLLOW ARE:
Sport fishing boat operators must report vessel entry to and departure from Mexico to the National Immigration Institute (INM), in addition to providing the list of passengers on board by filling out the format downloadable from:
Instrucciones para pasajeros - Instituto Nacional de Migración.

Afterwards, the master of the vessel must email the electronic file to: [email protected], which belongs to the Local INM Delegation at Ensenada, Baja California.

The receipt showing proof of payment covering migratory service fees must be attached to the email, Fees are paid according to the total number of foreigners entering Mexico’s territorial waters onboard the vessel, and can be paid electronically either for an individual or for everyone collectively by logging onto the following web site: https://www.banjercito.com.mx/registroEmbarques/

The payable fee of $295.00 pesos (Two-Hundred and Ninety Five 00/100 Mexican Pesos) per foreigner is set by the Federal Fee Act (Ley Federal de Derechos) in its Article 8, Section I.

Applicants will receive an email from INM either authorizing the trip or denying entry to a passenger intending to enter Mexico’s territorial water onboard the given vessel.

The authorizing email will contain INM’s permit to enter as a Visitor without Permission to Perform Paid Activities. The length of stay will cover the amount of time asked for min the application, yet such shall not exceed 180 days nor may it be used for multiple entries and departures. A copy will be sent to the Secretary of the Navy (SEMAR) and to the Secretary of Communications and Transportation (SCT.)
 
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