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That sounds like you would have to raise the mast clear of the male plug before you could lower it, that complicates things a bit.
What do you mean by using the marina launch? What is it? What does it do? What lake is it?
 

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That sounds like you would have to raise the mast clear of the male plug before you could lower it, that complicates things a bit.
What do you mean by using the marina launch? What is it? What does it do? What lake is it?
Yes, we'll have to loose the shrouds to pull it up. I have no idea what they have in mind, they seem very confident and know the area. I'll ask for more details. The crane guys say they do it all the time as well. Waiting for a few more quotes, will let you know how it all ends up. Me walking away into the sunset again probably, the disappointment hurts less every time ))
 

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With a small crane it is not a big problem. The trick is knowing how to secure to the mast above the centre point so the mast can lift straight up. If they attach too close to the fulcrum the mast can swing wildly or come crashing down as the base comes clear.

I would be concerned if the crane operator had never lifted a mast before, but if they "do it all the time" you should be fine.

$150/hr is fair.

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With a small crane it is not a big problem. The trick is knowing how to secure to the mast above the centre point so the mast can lift straight up. If they attach too close to the fulcrum the mast can swing wildly or come crashing down as sun as the base is clear.

I would be concerned if the crane operator had never lifted a mast before, but if they "do it all the time" you should be fine.

$150/hr is fair.

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Thanks for the info SchockT, something I'll keep in mind once I get over the fact that this owner expects a sale after seeing the boat on the slip, and doesn't want to show it sailing... It is a surreal journey.
 

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Thanks for the info SchockT, something I'll keep in mind once I get over the fact that this owner expects a sale after seeing the boat on the slip, and doesn't want to show it sailing... It is a surreal journey.
that is typical of boat sales, you look at the boat if you like you put down a deposit then arrange for a survey at the buyers expense then the sea trial. this will vary on smaller boats because they are simpler and easy to inspect the sails and equipment at the dock. you check out the condition of the boat and equipment and if all is good it will sail just fine. the sea trial is not for you to see if you like the way the boat sails but to see if the equipment on the boat is working properly.
 

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that is typical of boat sales, you look at the boat if you like you put down a deposit then arrange for a survey at the buyers expense then the sea trial. this will vary on smaller boats because they are simpler and easy to inspect the sails and equipment at the dock. you check out the condition of the boat and equipment and if all is good it will sail just fine. the sea trial is not for you to see if you like the way the boat sails but to see if the equipment on the boat is working properly.
Interesting process, not familiar with it, great to know. No one would think of buying a car because it has four wheels, an engine and the spare tyre, without doing a test drive first. There is so much you can feel about the state of the rigging and general structure when is on sail. Some of the ones I have seen have been sitting on the marina for years, just doing BBQ's. They can easily fall apart at the first wave.

It's all still moving along, fingers cross. Different boats, different hurdles :)
 

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You seem to appreciate the value of a test drive but this owner won't let you go for one. From what you have related the owner isn't being very helpful about moving the boat either. It isn't that great a boat, unless it's free I think you should let it be.
 

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Thanks for the info SchockT, something I'll keep in mind once I get over the fact that this owner expects a sale after seeing the boat on the slip, and doesn't want to show it sailing... It is a surreal journey.
I think a boat's reputation speaks for itself. You have a pretty good idea of what it should sail like.

I think the idea is not to take someone sailing until they show serious interest in buying it. Otherwise, you could spend your first year or two learning to sail by test driving all the boats for sale.
 

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I think a boat's reputation speaks for itself. You have a pretty good idea of what it should sail like.



I think the idea is not to take someone sailing until they show serious interest in buying it. Otherwise, you could spend your first year or two learning to sail by test driving all the boats for sale.
When I was selling my old boat through craigslist I had a number of "buyers" wanting to go for a sail right off the bat. I got the feeling they just wanted to go sailing. My policy was, we would go for a sail AFTER we had an accepted offer and a deposit. I was willing to hoist the sails at the dock if they wanted to see the condition, but that wasn't good enough for some.

The owner SHOULD allow a sea trial after a deal has been made. If they aren't willing to do that, I would assume they are hiding something.


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If I'm not mistaken, Pasadena lives on the Mainland and the boat is on Vancouver Island...on a landlocked lake no less. I think spending an entire day and a lot of money on ferry fares etc. should warrant a test sail.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, Pasadena lives on the Mainland and the boat is on Vancouver Island...on a landlocked lake no less. I think spending an entire day and a lot of money on ferry fairs etc. should warrant a test sail.
Exactly, I have already spent a few days asking for quotes of cranes, riggers and movers. We also have to make sure we can cross the straight of Georgia in a boat that's been sitting on a lake for years just to entertain guests. Safety is at stake.

I am not new to sailing, used to race J24's so I am not making it all the way to the island just to take a spin around a pond.

Anyway, we'll see what the boat has to offer and take it as it comes.
 

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You seem to appreciate the value of a test drive but this owner won't let you go for one. From what you have related the owner isn't being very helpful about moving the boat either. It isn't that great a boat, unless it's free I think you should let it be.
Yes, is getting easier to walk away.
 

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most of the boat yards can do that. Cost should be about $1500 for a 30ish footer to derig and set the boat and rig on a truck for transport. same at the other end of the trip.
If you're paying $1500 to drop the mast on a 30ft sailboat...you're getting over charged by about $1200. Dropping the mast on a 30ft sailboat should be in the $2-300 range! Even my 41ft ketch has not cost me more than $500 for BOTH masts including someone to go up and deal with the triatic stay!
 

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If you're paying $1500 to drop the mast on a 30ft sailboat...you're getting over charged by about $1200. Dropping the mast on a 30ft sailboat should be in the $2-300 range! Even my 41ft ketch has not cost me more than $500 for BOTH masts including someone to go up and deal with the triatic stay!
Boatyard - "Oh look! A new boat buyer! He has no idea how much this should cost!"
 

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If you're paying $1500 to drop the mast on a 30ft sailboat...you're getting over charged by about $1200. Dropping the mast on a 30ft sailboat should be in the $2-300 range! Even my 41ft ketch has not cost me more than $500 for BOTH masts including someone to go up and deal with the triatic stay!
This sounds about right. I am still searching for some freelance yard workers or riggers that could do it. So far the crane people seems to be the only solution, similar cost.
 

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If I'm not mistaken, Pasadena lives on the Mainland and the boat is on Vancouver Island...on a landlocked lake no less. I think spending an entire day and a lot of money on ferry fairs etc. should warrant a test sail.
Agreed.

He should not be afraid to walk away from the deal...there are plenty of boats out there.

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Agreed.

He should not be afraid to walk away from the deal...there are plenty of boats out there.

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Thanks SchockT. I will have a look at the boat on the slip to see if it's worth the trouble but yes, I am getting very pragmatic about it. Thanks to the forum and the research I am gaining a lot of knowledge every time I see one. Mostly what not to buy ))
 

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If you're paying $1500 to drop the mast on a 30ft sailboat...you're getting over charged by about $1200. Dropping the mast on a 30ft sailboat should be in the $2-300 range! Even my 41ft ketch has not cost me more than $500 for BOTH masts including someone to go up and deal with the triatic stay!
as stated it can cost this much to de-rig and set the rig and boat on the truck all packed for shipment with no owner help. this would include un wiring the mast, winterizing the boat for shipment and power washing the hull before loading. they wrap and pack everything on the boat for transport. would you do you it for $300 didn't think so
 

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as stated it can cost this much to de-rig and set the rig and boat on the truck all packed for shipment with no owner help. this would include un wiring the mast, winterizing the boat for shipment and power washing the hull before loading. they wrap and pack everything on the boat for transport. would you do you it for $300 didn't think so
Thanks overbored, at this moment I was only looking for a quote just to take down the mast and step it up at the end of the trip. I have a good quote for the transport.
 

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as stated it can cost this much to de-rig and set the rig and boat on the truck all packed for shipment with no owner help. this would include un wiring the mast, winterizing the boat for shipment and power washing the hull before loading. they wrap and pack everything on the boat for transport. would you do you it for $300 didn't think so
This is on Vancouver Island. Even the most inland lake, Cowichan, is only 20 miles from the Eastern coast. I doubt they will do any serious wrapping or packing to ready it for transport.
 
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