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I have been tossing around diffrent model boats for months. All between the lengths of 27' to 36'. Price range and condition of boats has fluxuated drasticly just because i am being cheap.

I found a Mirage 29. Its been on the hard for 3 years which makes me real nervous. The boat seems to have an excellent rep but there is next to no information out there for her. Its right here on the lake I want to sail with an excellent interior. Teak needs work and all the running rigging will need to be replaced.

There asking 15,700 for the boat which would be a good price if i could just drop her in the water and sail but it needs alot of tlc.

suggestions comments advice??

Also if anyone has links to where i can get a rigging kit made for a good price that would be steller :)
 

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You should post some pictures, but I would start at $10k or less. there are 3 Catalina 30's on my lake, in the water and ready to sail, for less than $11,000..

Does the motor run, bottom paint, sail condition, never mind the running rigging, line is cheap compared to all the other stuff. Never mind a complete shake-down of the wiring, lights etc...

The cheap part is the boat, all the other stuff is the make or break part...
 

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The Mirage 29 is a good boat - good looking and a very nice Euro layout. In my experience they fetch a good price - I've never seen one under $20K. One sold quickly near me last year at a $37K ask
 

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http://www.yachtworld.com/core/list...isting_id=56149&url=&hosturl=snugharborboats&

Heres a link to the boat in question. I have actually seen the link provided in a desperate search I conducted looking for more info. As far as specs go sailingdata.com had some insightful info but unlike the Cat 30 and some other boats they have there own fan club and data rich resource pages. If i get this boat im going to have to start something like that unless someone knows of one i am unaware of. Any info you observe from the link would be great. Thanks.

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The Sailquest market value numbers are several years old and seriously out of date Canadian dollar values.. however under $20K seems a bargain or an indicator of issues, as SJB mentioned.

One thing to watch for with 30-ish foot 'euro' layouts. Often the layout is something that would fit well into a 35 footer, essentially 'scrunched down' to fit into 30 feet. This leaves V berths pushed so far forward there's little room for a couple of toes, never mind two pairs of feet at the foot, and similarly the 'aft cabins' can end up being confining and claustrophobic. I think this is a layout you really need to see firsthand.

The Beneteau 30/30Es were similarly afflicted - nice looking, good sailing boats but interiors that were smaller than they appear on paper.
 

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Exactly, so the guy i am working with seems to be a reasonable person. The boat has been on the hard for three years and the current owners inherited the boat from their parents.

I went and visited the boat today and took over 100 photos. She looks slot worse now thst she did ehen those pics were taken, but it is mostly cosmetic. Luckily the mast has been kept inside all this time and the ibterior is still in very good condition. There is definatly a few leaks, the main one i noticed was at the mast base. There is a very large amount of extra goodies coming with the boat as well.

Most of the blocks pulleys etc on the deck needs to be replaced. The years of neglect have done slot of damage and they are starting to come spart.
Estimated cost for a bottom job is 1500 which has to be done.

Launch and re commissioning is another 1500.

A ballpark figure for replacing deck hardware other minor cosmetics and necessary sheet/line/rope replacement is estimated at 1000.

Total investment after purchase approximately 4000.

These costs could be lower and im calling tomorrow to get some actusl numbers.

Of course a survey is a must as it may lower the price even further. 15/ ft at 29 feet = appx 430 but could save me thousands.

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Im probably going to offer them 10 and list these expenses and the boats deteriating condition. Try and explain that the longer it sits the less people are going to wsnt to pay and hope for a sale.

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Cosmetic issues are minor. Easily fixed with a some elbow grease. The big ones are structural and the engine. Either could be a deal beaker.
 

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Agreed, a survey should help with those details. It has low hrs on a volvo diesel. From what i could see the bottom was i need of a bottom job but there were no structural issues. The deck was dirty but strong and the standing rigging attachment zones appeared solid.

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When i went to check it out a lady who was active in the local sailing club provided her info so i could ask questions.

They countered my offer coming off the price 1200 bucks so i re countered st 13k. Made waves because the guy went to talk to his wife lol. Hopefully they accept and ill stay under budget.
 

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Well I want her to love it as much as me buy that is going to take time.

Still havnt reached the agreement yet. Hopefully will hear something tomorrow.

Plan to go back up there saturday and take another look as well as feel out the area.

I hope she doesnt hate it. I will be really disapointed. The point of all this is to bring us together not pull us apart. She knows how much i want this to happen.

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