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I'm toying with moving from my slip to a mooring buoy. I don't have any sort of pendant, and my boat is set up with a single central cleat on the foredeck and a chock on one side only (the other was cut away by a PO to fit an anchor roller).
I was thinking of putting a shackle through the toe rail and then using a 3 strand line with stainless/galvanised eyes at each end to the shackle on the rail - maybe with a foot of chain between the two, and to the mooring buoy obviously. I was then going to run a second one, couple of feet longer to the other side rail, and finally a longer still backup backup through the chock to the cleat (maybe via a dyneema strop like the cyclone things), which I would likely put a bigger backing plate on.
Any reason for not doing it this way?

(was going to use the hole in the rail just aft of the pulpit:)
 

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Putting your own mooring down or using an existing one? If existing dive on it for inspection.

Chafe is the enemy. Good chafe protection and frequent inspections are important. Use 3 strand Polysteel for the line with good splices and heavy duty thimbles. Make sure the pendant is long enough to minimize chafe.
 

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Getting a new mooring put down, 3000lb cast concrete block, 1" chain and 1.25" polysteel. I'm thinking the above will be a zero-chafe solution for the two side lines.
 

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I'd consider opening up that hole on the toe rail, fairing and smoothing it out to avoid the eventual chafe conditions that will occur on a mooring.
 

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I'd consider opening up that hole on the toe rail, fairing and smoothing it out to avoid the eventual chafe conditions that will occur on a mooring.
Av I think he's planning to put shackles on the toerail... My only concern there is the inevitable damage to the anodizing.. and possible flexing to that area that it probably wasn't designed for.

Wonder if a single, solidly backed ring/ubolt through the stem might be a better idea?
 

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Av I think he's planning to put shackles on the toerail... My only concern there is the inevitable damage to the anodizing.. and possible flexing to that area that it probably wasn't designed for.

Wonder if a single, solidly backed ring/ubolt through the stem might be a better idea?
Was wondering where the mooring lines would be attached too. Not a good idea to have the shackles and load on the toe rail. Maybe a center mounted deck cleat, through bolted with a beefy backing plate would be a better solution?
 

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Getting a new mooring put down, 3000lb cast concrete block, 1" chain and 1.25" polysteel. I'm thinking the above will be a zero-chafe solution for the two side lines.
The problem is that it won't weight anywhere close to 3000 pounds under water and this is why many municipalities have made concrete moorings non-approved... I am really amazed municipalities even allow them these days..

For example if you were using concrete for a 30' boat in Rockport, MA, a town with quite well thought out guidelines, based on evidence, the dry weight of the mooring would need to be almost 5500 pounds for a 30' boat.... In a protected anchorage a 4500 pound dry weight mooring might do fine for a 30 some odd footer but this needs to be weighed against many factors such as exposure, propensity to storms, fetch etc...

Any dead-weight mooring is best to be long, low and flat so it can "work in" to the bottom and create "suction" to the bottom which adds to the performance of its "dead weight".. Ideally after a few years it would be flush with the surface of the bottom, if the bottom is soft enough. Long low and flat also limits the propensity for chain wrap.

This is what a typical dead-weight Maine granite mooring looks like, low and flat and and this is a small one....


Below are some suggested weights for deadweight moorings by towns that have pent extensive time studying this.. The guidelines below are from Rockport, MA, one town that has studied this stuff rather extensively. They have come up with their own mooring standards after losing boats in storms..

Rockport said:
Deadweight Anchors:
Deadweight anchors are commonly used in New England. They are usually blocks of granite which hold vessels in place because they are too heavy to be dragged or lifted by the vessel.

The holding power of the deadweight anchor is derived solely from it's weight and not by its design. When a deadweight is pulled out of its current resting place, it may settle somewhere else, because its weight provides constant resistance.

Blocks become embedded in the harbor bottoms over the years, providing a degree of suction resistance in bottom material which has strong cohesive properties. Thus, a deadweight anchor is not likely to break free from its set. (An anchor is "set" when it becomes buried in the harbor bottom over time.)

It is recommended that the weights indicated be submerged weight of the deadweight anchor. Use the following table to calculate required weight of material submerged. Consult with the Harbormaster before purchasing gear.

Minimum deadweight mooring weight:

Vessel length: (SUBMERGED WEIGHT)
10 - 17 1000 lbs.
18 - 26 1500 lbs.
27 - 35 3000 lbs.
36 - 45 4000 lbs.
45 - 55 5000 lbs.

Submerged Weight Calculations

Concrete = required weight /.55 (example 1000 lbs./.55 = 1818 lbs.)
Granite = required weight /.64
Example 20' Boat:

For a 20 footer using cement you need roughly a 2730 pound dry weight mooring to attain a 1500 pound submerged weight.

Deadweight moorings are easily dragged if not the proper shape or weight and thus require significantly more weight than would a mooring that "sets".

Moorings that set, should be "set" in a settable bottom. The proper orientation for a mushroom is totally buried standing vertically. The entire bell must be able to sink into the bottom and disappear other wise it is basically a deadweight mooring, and dead weight mooring weights should be used not mushroom mooring weights. This is where many municipalities who don't study storm damage, and asses what happened, can get into trouble.

Any mooring should be set for the bottom conditions in your area.

Here is one of the most common and accepted mooring diagrams out there. Image courtesy of Hamilton Marine.


We know what the town or Rockport, MA recommends for deadweight moorings and that is about 3000 pounds (submerged weight) for a 30 footer..

Scituate, MA requires even more min weight than Rockport at 2000 pounds for a 20 footer and for this harbor the only approved mooring is a granite block, because the bottom is not suitable for setting type moorings. No cement or "home made" moorings allowed unless specifically approved by the harbor master.

The quote below comes directly from Inamar Insurance, one of the largest insurers of pleasure vessels. They know the claims and the failures and why..

INAMAR Insurance Co. said:
In water, concrete loses almost one-half its weight; granite loses almost one-third, and iron loses only an eighth. This is significant. If a mooring is designed to withstand a 4,000-lb. pull, one needs 8,000 lbs. of concrete, 6,000 lbs. of granite, or 4,500 lbs. of iron. At a minimum, over one ton is needed for even a small, 25' yacht.

To handle weights of this magnitude, a barge crane is needed. As long as this equipment is used to place the anchor, one might as well err on the side of excessive weight when placing it.
Ultimately a helix style mooring would be best but you would need a professional installer, and this gets expensive.

Here in Falmouth, ME where there are more than 1200 boats in the anchorage we have very, very strict rules as to how moorings will be installed, serviced etc... Start with the town first and if they don't have any advice go with the advice of a town like Scituate, MA, Rockport, MA etc.

This is but a sampling of our towns rules:

Falmouth said:
"All new or replaced permanent moorings shall comply with the following minimum specifications:

*Each permanent mooring shall consist of a mushroom, granite block or helix, a minimum one-half-inch heavy steel bottom chain attached to a minimum one-half-inch top chain (a single chain is acceptable), mooring buoy and a pennant: polypropelene use is not acceptable. Each mooring must have one (1) top and swivel; all swivels and shackles must be to the appropriate size diameter.

*All mooring blocks shall be constructed of solid granite with steel staples or eyebolt extending completely through the block. Cement blocks, old engines and other miscellaneous weighted objects are unacceptable as mooring anchors in the harbor.

Recommended mooring guidelines:
TABLE INSET:

Under 15' power/sail 150 lb mushroom
15'--19' power/sail 200 lb mushroom
20'--27' power/sail 250 lb mushroom
28'--30' power/sail 300 lb mushroom
31'--33' power/sail 400 lb mushroom
34'--38' power/sail 500 lb mushroom
39'--45' power/sail 600 lb mushroom
46'--50' power/sail 1000 lb mushroom
51'--56' power/sail 1200 lb mushroom
56'--65' power/sail 1600 lb mushroom

*Winter spars must be used to mark moorings and such spars shall be connected to their moorings with non-floating rope (no wire cable permitted). Winter spars may not be set before September 1 and must be installed by December 31 and removed by June 1 each year. By January 1 all moorings shall have mooring balls exchanged for a winter spar. Winter spars remaining in the water after June 1 shall have their mooring removed by the harbormaster at the expense of the owner and be subject to a fine as specified in the town harbor fee schedule as adopted by the town council and in accordance with subsection 9-105(c) of this article.

*Moorings must be inspected every two (2) years by a qualified mooring inspector. A list of qualified mooring inspectors may be obtained by contacting the harbormaster. The harbormaster has the authority to require any necessary maintenance or replacement of parts or the whole mooring, tackle and/or gear. Inspection forms shall be complete and legible.
I would focus on a larger dead wight mooring and your pendants. Dual unequal length pendants survive better in storms...
 

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A fine post Maine, thanks, I suspect the conditions over there are considerably worse than our fairly protected harbor and mostly benign weather here. Back to my original question though, given that I have a single chock and a single cleat, is my suggested method going to be ok? The rail is pretty tough, through bolted etc.
 

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I would do what Faster suggested. Or attach to a towing hook mounted on the prow. The towing hook is nice b/c you can have a pendant with a metal thimble on each end. Put a big hook on the boat end of this pendant. This will take the primary load. Have another pendant go to the cleat you have on the deck. This will be unloaded, unless the primary fails. One down-side to this set-up is that you need to lay down on the deck to get the hook on for the primary.
 

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I would not connect the primary pendants to the toerail. I would fear the toerail is going to get damaged in the first storm. I would put the primary through the chock to the cleat, and then perhaps a longer secondary as you describe. FWIW I have kept my boats on moorings for the last 40 years and have only used a single extra-heavy pendant. Currently using a 1 inch braided pendant on a 11,000lb 33 footer.
 

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That looks like a C&C 30 MK I ...am I correct?

You should have bow chocks that are fine to run your pendant(s) through.
You should have two forward dockline cleats, those are OK for a pendant. And/Or, you may have one large cleat in the center deck of the bow, this is great for a pendant with a second (longer) pendant going to one of the bow cleats.

The one thing you should check is backing plates/fender washers below decks on the backside of the throughbolts holding down the cleats. The bigger the better.

As others said, chafe is the enemy, good chafe protection at the point the pendants go through the chocks is superimportantest. :)

As for that cement block of a mooring? MHO is that it might be fine for a light boat on a lake, but I would go with an 800 or 1000 pound mushroom mooring.

YMMV

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C&C27 MkII, one cleat in the centre of the deck behind the bow, and one chock. No cleats on the rail, or at the front of the bow. I don't know about the cement block, this guy seems to have plenty of happy customers. Around here, 30kts of wind is considered a news-worthy event.
 

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I don't know about the cement block, this guy seems to have plenty of happy customers. Around here, 30kts of wind is considered a news-worthy event.
Not really - it does blow harder a few times a year - and not always in the winter. A few years ago an entire marina was wiped out a ways up island in a Spring storm. Every year boats end up on the beach in Cadboro Bay or Oak Bay because of shaky moorings.

You could always ask for a written guarantee it will not drag.:)
 

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Mill Bay, which was a crappy, badly maintained disaster waiting to happen, but there you go. You certainly get a lot more wind down in Victoria area than up here in Sidney, we are quite sheltered from most directions, both Cadboro and Oak Bay are very exposed to any southerly or south-easterlies, with considerably more fetch as well.
In any case, I'd love to see some stats on mooring failures causing drifting boats versus gear/user failure (pendants, cleats etc) causing drifting boats. I was reading an intersting article from a New Zealand review on mooring requirements, and it quite clearly stated that they not seen a single case of a concrete block mooring moving, and that all known failures in their area were down to failures on the boat end of things, yet they were going to recommend bigger ones anyway "just in case".
However, this wasn't a discussion on the size of a mooring block..... :)
 

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I do know of several who have replaced their mooring blocks, some "professionally" installed, because they weren't up to snuff.

But chafe is by far the biggest concern.

I agree with previous posters that the toerail will likely be damaged in a good blow. I wouldn't shackle to it for that reason - at best the anodizing will wear off from constant small movements which cannot be avoided.
 

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That was my main concern, I'll have to go and see what else I can figure out for fittings, I don't like to trust a single cleat - one point of failure etc. Any recommendations for manufacturers of good quality bow eye fittings? Like properly rated ones, not Chinese junk made from old Coke cans and stamped with Stainless.
 

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A couple of thoughts Paul ....
#1, if I recall correctly, there was a recent (don't recall if it was this winter or last) blow that registered around 40 knts at my slip. There is a significant difference with the amount of wind you see at your (or my) slip vs what you see out in the moorage area.
#2, while I sympathize with the issue of using only a single cleat, don't forget that if you have a good backing plate for the cleat you are likely to have ripped the boat appart before the cleat fails. Also, remember there are TWO bolts on that cleat so technically you have a backup :)
 

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Re #2, you are probably right, there might even be 4 bolts, I can't recall right now. I have a few feelers out at the moment for a beefier ground lump so will see what they come back with.
The chock concerns me too, I don't think it's big enough to accomodate two pendants of what I would consider an acceptable size line.
Actually being moored out greatly concerns me in general, but circumstances mean it is likely the only option at this point.
 
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