Hey guys - how does an Antares 44 cat pull down around twice the amount of an FP Helia 44 for the same length and year?
I would love to have a balanced discussion. I think the difference in my mind is that, as I said above, I don't expect ANY boat to be "safe" in a hurricane or a tornado strike. Those situations are far beyond the envelope for cruising.I don't see why it isn't relevant. The OP mentioned safety and seaworthiness in the first post. I thought we were trying to have a balanced discussion. If one person shows a vid of a cruising cat surfing at 27 knots to show seaworthiness, why isn't it reasonable to show the other side of the coin. Or, in this case, the other side of the boat
I took another look. There's a Triton controller at the helm but I don't see one at the nav table. And by the comments, it seems there were only the 3 people aboard.Sure, but on autopilot can mean a lot of different things. Were they in the salon watching reruns of gilligans island on autopilot, or did they have someone standing by the over ride. Surfing at 27 knots in a cruising cat, they would be pretty foolish not to have somebody keeping a close eye on things, whether they were lucky enough to survive or not.
Why not, jog controls aren't bad to steer with. Wear a remote on a lanyard around your neck, or stuff it in your pocket. Don't know if the folks in your vid had a remote, but they are pretty common.. In any case, I certainly wouldn't want to STEER in those conditions and speeds with a freakin' AP control.
I don't "hate" Catamarans but, I have no desire to own one. I usually do at least two charters a year in the off season on them As it is my gals preference. So have been on twenty or more over the years.Are there any reasonably sized cats with a centerline master berth that you can approach from the side, like a human and not like a dog climbing into it's dog house? I know centerlines don't make good sea berths, but we all spend hundreds of times more nights at anchor than overnight at sea. My current is the first boat I didn't have to climb in from the end and it's a real game changer.
I'm not sure why the Triton AP controller was linked, or what it means, but we have a modern B&G/Simrad autopilot. If you haven't used one of the new AP's recently, you may be surprised at how well they anticipate, adjust, and steer. Better than me in pretty much all conditions. Definitely better than me in all conditions for more than an hour.Sure, but on autopilot can mean a lot of different things. Were they in the salon watching reruns of gilligans island on autopilot, or did they have someone standing by the over ride. Surfing at 27 knots in a cruising cat, they would be pretty foolish not to have somebody keeping a close eye on things, whether they were lucky enough to survive or not.
This aspect is less extreme in a catamaran because of the beam. The spreaders sweep to an angle to the chainplates. The chainplates on a catamaran are much further out, so the sweep angle is less acute.Notice anything?
So, again, all these various dictums about what's good and bad for ocean crossings are FAR more blurred than has been traditionally painted on sailing forums. There are a hell of a lot of swept-back spreaders out there. I would just much prefer mine to be on a multi.
This is interesting and I would love to sail on a similar boat to mine with one of the newer pilots.The newer autopilots, particularly those from B&G and NKE, are quite different beasts than in the old days (5 years ago). They use 9-axis rate compasses (ours even uses heave in its calculations, along with pitch and roll), accept 100hz data from all instrumentation, and have fast computers using steering and prediction algorithms developed from RTW southern ocean racing. These are the same AP's the Volvo and other race boats are using, only they have some specialized software specifically tailored to their boats and polars.