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This is a new 43'er for a PNW client. The boat has twin diesels on sail drives. The builder is James Betts in Anacortes, WA. This is a custom project and what you see is what the client wants. But this image is a bit obsolete now. The hull ports have gone. The dink is off the housetop and the cabin trunk portlights are now all the same size. Details. Construction will be composite with epoxy.
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The idea is reliability. The client thinks that "if it is mechanical, it will break". I'll
use two small diesels that I have not chosen yet. Maybe a Beta 20hp with counter rotating sail drives. We'll see. And just to poke the dog with a stick,,,we might do the entire boat in carbon fiber. We'll see. Why? Because the client likes the idea.
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Yes, Mr. Lucky is very happy with progress. His last boat was a Cape George cutter and when we began I showed him Atkin's TALLY HO MAJOR and his eyes lit up. All that was left for me to do was to channel Bill Atkin and add my own touches to try and "modernize" the aesthetic and the performance. Carbon add around $40,000 to the build. The client just shrugs.
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At this stage we are looking at Janeki to produce female molds. Same thing we did with the PSC 63.
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Coil:
I worked with Janeki before when we did the submarine for Paul Allen. They are only an hour away from me.

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Wetted surface has nothing to do with it. We do not need to save weight on this project. I have plenty of displacement for an S glass and epoxy laminate. But, as I have stated, the client likes the idea of carbon. It's best to keep in mind that with any custom design project the client gets what he wants. It may not be what you want or what makes sense to anyone else but it is his boat and he wants it to be very different from the current crop of production boats. I march to the client's drumming. When we disagree on a design element we discuss it in depth. If the clients' request does not hurt the boat's safety or hurt performance then I will let him win the argument. In this case the client wanted a "full keel" boats right from the start. Onions? Mayo? A pickle? My job is to give the client exactly the boat he sees in his imagination and to make sure it's a damn good boat and at the same time makes me happy and proud too.
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Dion't know that there is a specific name for that kind of rudder attachment but I'll call it Albert.

It's been done before but not exactly like the way I have it.
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I'd rather JeffH answer your question. He knows his stuff and I can;t type worth a damn.
If Jeff doesn't answer it I'll do it.
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Be patient Rhap. Boats like this don't pop out like Beneteaus. Sheesh!
Grumble grumble,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Yes, and of course I did "good with her". I have very high standards. I have worked very hard on this design to make it perfect in every way for the client. Of course I have done good. It's called "hard work" Sheesh and double sheesh.

I am at this stage when I know what's good. I am 68 and I have been at this seriously since I was 14. I'm very critical of my own work. You have no idea. But honestly, if you can't see the beauty in what I create then you have a piss poor frame of reference.

With that I'll go walk my dog. My dog knows exactly what I am talking about. She ignores me.
Smart dog.
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You are reading it wrong. No conflict at all. I think what you may be reading is my effort to make those not acquainted with custom design understand why this or any other custom design appears the way it does. I based my book on this theme. My work is a reflection of client requirements as filtered through my creativity. As I went to bed last night it occurred to me that my post was quite a rant. I did not start out intending it to be but I was tired an maybe some frustration came through. Sorry.

Thanks for the welcome back. Nice to be back.
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Thanks Jon and Jeff.
The only thing I would add is that carbon fiber does not play well with others. You can't just reinforce a polyester/E glass laminate with carbon fiber for extra strength. Carbon does not "load share". In a situation where carbon was combined with E or S glass the carbon would take the entire load before the E or S glass ever saw any load at all.
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Define "worse" for me please.
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This is my design ICON, all carbon hull and an all carbon deck, built 15 years ago and still going very strong.
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I think you are right. But the jury is still out on the material. S glass and epoxy might be a better way to go for durability and cost. Still, the client has this Jones for carbon and he is the boss. I'm waiting for him to show up at the shack now. We'll no doubt discuss this again. If he's happy with the layout I'll post it next week and give you guys a look at a real sea boat layout. He's already happy with the layout he's seen but I've moved on several revisions since he had his last look. I don't let him see the drawings until he's in my office. I need to make my full on dog and pony show presentation.
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I'm lucky that I only have one client on this project and my job is to give him a great boat that meets his expectations. That's he heart and soul of custom design. This boat will be a fabulous boat made even more fabulous by the use of carbon fiber. It will be a unique boat.

I cannot imagine a time when this owner will do his own repair work.
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About 21 years ago I bought my son a CF bike. It was unusual to even see a CF bike then. He test rode several bikes but liked the feel of the CF bike. Back then it was very expensive, $850! He rode it for about 15 years. He's a big kid, 6'5" and he rode that bike hard and was never able to break it. But, it was stolen a few years back. I'l find out what make it was.

When I met with my client yesterday I mentioned Smackdaddy's comment about the new boat being the first "full keel" CF boat in the world. My clients' eyes lit up. I'll meet with the builder and the client together on Thursday and we'll see where this leads. Should be a kick.
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Thanks Sean I think you are probably right. I know I seem arrogant at times but I think of it like this: Imagine Frank Sinatra in the shower (shower curtain closed please). He's singing away like we all do in the shower. I'll bet you Frank would say, "Damn I sound great!" And he did. Arrogant? Naaaaa. Accurate? Yep.

So I look at my work, after hours of struggling to get every line just perfect knowing I'll never get it perfect, and I think to myself, "Damn that looks good." And I know it does.

Cruiser: Thank you. I'll work hard to make the actual boat look even better. I do enjoy my work.
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I can see that. He is amazing.
I have a cello. I am not amazing on the cello.

When you guys see a drawing of mine it is one of countless revisions. I throw most of them out before I even give them "Rev numbers" . They are just not worth saving. There are so many great designers I am trying to emulate and I hear their footsteps behind me all the time.
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Having fun with the new project:

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Looks like Pacific Seacraft and I will be doing this model of their PSC 63 next. Spent a long time on Skype with significant parties this morning. Sounds like a go.
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Cutter rig cleans things up and makes life easier for me. Interior is custom so you can have any detail you like that fits. Keel will be the same as CATARI. Yes, it will be built at PSC in Washington NC, one of my very favorite places. Let the wild rumpus begin!
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