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I recently sold my Garmin 76CS Plus because my iPhone with iNavX is so much better.

Since I had the phone already I thought I'd try the charts for $49.95. Good move.

I am presently a day/weekend sailor. In the past I cruised the world on my Force 50 for 10 years and used LORAN and a sextant (pre GPS)

Now while I wouldn't recommend using the iPhone as a primary for long passages, it's perfectly fine for checking position on a day sail or visiting the Channel Islands (CA), and up and down the S. California coast.

It's accurate, re-draws quickly and can be seen reasonably well in daylight.

Check it out...
 

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I am really glad to hear you say that, Paul! I've been using my iPhone GPS (with the GPS Kit app). It's not super accurate - but it's pretty damn cool. I'll check out the iNavX app - and the charts.

It's great to hear an experienced sailor give it some love.
 

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I can't for the life of me understand why you would sell the Garmin 76cs and rely on just an iphone! I would add the iphone for redundancy but never give up my Garmin.
I did not realize there was nav charts for the iphone but I am aware of charts and a program called Active Captain for Windows Mobile smart phones which I am looking into. I would not use a smart phone to replace my Garmin but instead use it to supplement my Garmin.
The smart phones of today are pretty awsome with Blackberry Storm and HTC Touch HD being strong competitors to the iphone. I am leaning towards the HTC with WM to run ActiveCaptain myself as I believe the AC program has more to offer.
 

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One good reason to use the IPhone (or other handheld PDA device) instead of/in addition to the Garmin is that it/they can use RASTER CHARTS...you know, those ones that look EXACTLY like the real charts (because they ARE).

Personally, I wouldn't use anything else but raster charts. And, yes, I know all about vector charts...too much, in fact!

Give me a chart which : (a) looks EXACTLY like the real paper chart; and (2) is, in fact, an exact replica of the official paper chart, not a knockoff digitized by some yahoo making minimum wage. That means RASTER. Can you spell it?

Sorry for the rant; just makes my blood boil to see some of what's going on in the new world of push-button yachting :)

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With Respects to the "Captain"

The Garmin is clunky to use and the iPhone is elegant. The Garmin requires you to use an arrow key to navigate the charts, hit or miss when navigating the screen, the iPhone, you use the multi touch screen, and the Garmin does NOT have the detail of the raster charts.

Granted the iPhone is not perfect but it will get you where you are going as it has proved in numerous trips to the islands and up and down the coast.

Also as I said, I am simply day sailing and weekending, not navigating the Atlantic or going to Hawaii, in which case I would use a serious chart plotter.

BTW- the HTC w Windows Mobile is nothing compared to the iPhone. Windows mobile is buggy and generally regarded as crap, it filled a vacuum when Palm crashed and burned. The Apple hardware/software integration, industrial design, interface design, control of third party applications and quality is superior to anything that is currently out there.

Don’t be surprised when we start seeing articles about the iPhone capabilities being tested on long passages.
 

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Paul-

The Garmin can be loaded with Garmin's own BlueChart charts, and they're quite good.

One thing you're neglecting... the Garmin uses AA batteries, so if the batteries die, they can be easily replaced. The Garmin is also waterproof, IPX7 rated anyways, and floats. If you drop the iPhone, you can kiss it BUH BYE... :)
 

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So

People are willing to use and iPhone that cost as much as a good handheld GPS and is about as waterproof as a sheet of notebook paper :laugher
 

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I run the Garmin blue charts on my HTC PPC-6700 (Sprint Mogul) and im impressed with how well it works. I had them for an older Garmin GPS and just setup a program to run it on the phone. If you have the charts already, the program can be found on Piratesbay.org (torrent site).
 

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So

People are willing to use and iPhone that cost as much as a good handheld GPS and is about as waterproof as a sheet of notebook paper :laugher
It costs half as much as a GPS with charts, it costs 1/4 as much as a GPS with even remotely comparable charts. Also you can browse the internet, make a call, and listen to your tunes...And as for it being "waterproof", don't drop it in the water, simple as that. Or spend $30 for a waterproof case.

Technology, old farts, embrace it.
 

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I am sorry but my stuff gets wet i go sailing and it even rains hard sometimes

And i have NEVER found anything missing or out of place on a 99 dollar Lowrance Nauticpath chip which work just fine with a 150 dollar handheld that is waterproof:rolleyes:
 

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Pictures the commies doing a "TRAINING EXERCIZE" off the coast of VEN>>>>

They move north and suddenly your GPS systems are not accurate anymore...This cant happen.........

OPSY,,, they are off the coast of SA now....grins....
Takes a moon sight and is content he knows where he is......

Mark
 

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Laurie, my wife, has an Iphone and the chart program, very impressive. We have checked it against our Garmin 3210 and Sitex chartplotters and it's right on the money. Great back up for suburban sailing within cell range, and you can't beat the price if you already have the phone. John
 

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Laurie, my wife, has an Iphone and the chart program, very impressive. We have checked it against our Garmin 3210 and Sitex chartplotters and it's right on the money. Great back up for suburban sailing within cell range, and you can't beat the price if you already have the phone. John
Anyone used it away from the puddle? How far out can you get and still have the GPS functionality? I'm never quite sure whether "No Service" means "Yer Skrewed".
 

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Anyone used it away from the puddle? How far out can you get and still have the GPS functionality? I'm never quite sure whether "No Service" means "Yer Skrewed".

Well, the "G" in "GPS" does mean Global. The iPhone has a GPS receiver in it so it should be able to receive a GPS signal anywhere in the world regardless of whether you have cell signal.
 

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Actually, the iPhone 3G has a built-in GPS chip, the iPhone does not. :) Big difference.

Well, the "G" in "GPS" does mean Global. The iPhone has a GPS receiver in it so it should be able to receive a GPS signal anywhere in the world regardless of whether you have cell signal.
 

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Sorry SD, I assumed that's what we were discussing for just that reason. Any mention of GPS IMPLIES the iPhone 3G since it's the only version to date to have an integrated GPS receiver. Granted it is possible to use an external GPS receiver but since that has not been mentioned in the thread I think it's safe to conclude that the OP isn't using an external unit.
 

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Smack- Maybe your question has already been answered above, I assumed you would need cell coverage but as long as you had the correct charts downloaded beforehand maybe it's not necessary. I'll ask the technologically advanced member of the crew (it's her phone, I don't know how you are supposed to use something that only has one button:rolleyes: ) Yep, she says it'll work anywhere as long as you already have the charts.
 

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Dog, dude, get with the program. Of course we're talking about the 3G. It's like you get distracted by shiny objects or something. But at least you screw up with complete confidence. That's something.

And CK - thanks for helping me with the G. I was really puzzled. Of course, you did nothing to answer the actual question. Focus, man, focus!

Maybe Paul (the OP) is the only one who knows anything about this. You know, from experience. And now he's quiet. Go figure. Well at least I have you guys to help me achieve certain death through your sound, well-informed advice.

Jrd - thanks for checking with the expert. Then I presume this means that the charts are fully local (i.e. - downloaded to the phone)? And do not need satellite or cell access to work?

I'm still a bit leery simply because I've had spotty to no reception (GPS and/or cell) in some remote areas on the iPhone. So I'm just wondering about the actual limitations.
 

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Smack. Technically I did answer part of it. The GPS receiver in the phone will work WITHOUT cell signal. I did overlook the chart issue however. I always download my charts to my smartphone so that part didn't cross my mind.

Anyway, looks like you got a definitive answer for all points in question.
 
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