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so theres this free 26' sailboat full keel i think new rigging. the boat was overhauled about 5 years ago but it sat at the mooring for 3-4 years through the winter and huriicane still there and still floating. so i was told about it and went out and took a look i had permission to get on.
so the boat has no motor or trailer of couse and it sat on the water so its a bit dirty. ok the outside has gelcoat cracks of course. it has main and jib. winches 5 of them all together 1 on the mast. has sail cover. the tiller is broken just the wood piece tho. has roller furler on bow the jib was kept in the cabin.
ok so the outside isn't that bad needs a cleaning and waxing the hull needs to be scrubed and painted but now real rush before next year probally.
now for the inside its a bit beat up but has 2 marine batterys a radio a vhf a head i didn't look to hard but its enclosed also has foward v berth and bed/ couch and then dinet on the right and small sink and ice box. now i saw that the keel bolts are a bit ruseted and have some water around them but the hull other then that is dry is that a big deal?
so should i go for it and take it? im not going to take it out for the winter it will stay in a sheltered area since i know it can last winters nowsince it has for the last 3 years

what should i look for? sorry no pics
 

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so theres this free 26' sailboat full keel i think new rigging. the boat was overhauled about 5 years ago but it sat at the mooring for 3-4 years through the winter and huriicane still there and still floating. so i was told about it and went out and took a look i had permission to get on.
so the boat has no motor or trailer of couse and it sat on the water so its a bit dirty. ok the outside has gelcoat cracks of course. it has main and jib. winches 5 of them all together 1 on the mast. has sail cover. the tiller is broken just the wood piece tho. has roller furler on bow the jib was kept in the cabin.
ok so the outside isn't that bad needs a cleaning and waxing the hull needs to be scrubed and painted but now real rush before next year probally.
now for the inside its a bit beat up but has 2 marine batterys a radio a vhf a head i didn't look to hard but its enclosed also has foward v berth and bed/ couch and then dinet on the right and small sink and ice box. now i saw that the keel bolts are a bit ruseted and have some water around them but the hull other then that is dry is that a big deal?
so should i go for it and take it? im not going to take it out for the winter it will stay in a sheltered area since i know it can last winters nowsince it has for the last 3 years

what should i look for? sorry no pics
If you have the time & money to fix it up, go for it - it's FREE fergawdssake. Haunt the consignment shops for what you need to upgrade it and keep it simple. As long as you don't spend multiple boat bucks to correct the flaws, you'll get a nice boat for next to nothing.
 

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It all depends on how deep your pockets are, and how much time & energy you are willing to invest to make her right.

Like SJB said it's currently free, so you will be starting out WAAAAY ahead of most new boat owners.

Just remember that there's no such thing as a free boat. If it's been as sadly neglected for as long as you believe, then you are probably going to need to infuse a fair amount of money in the short term.

First and foremost, I'd want to check all items that keep her afloat and/or keep her from sinking. Just because she's made it this far doesn't mean that something won't fail tomorrow.
- Have someone knowledgeable check the keel bolts. This is a pretty important safety item; if the keel comes off, bad things tend to happen.
- Through hulls and seacocks, with any attached hoses (to include hose clamps.).
- Bilge pump.
- Ground tackle (at a minimum the part that's attached to the mooring; preferably your entire set up.)

After that, it's less critical things (i.e., stuff that makes her functional.)
- Spread the sails out and evaluate condition.
- Unless there was a solar or wind power source, then the batteries are likely toast.
- Have the standing rigging checked, to include chain plates if possible.
- Etc, etc, etc.

Also remember that once you own it, you are responsible for it. If it sinks, or breaks free of her mooring, or anything else calamitous you can think of, then you will be expected to correct the situation.
 

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Huck (smallboatlover) is 16. I kind of think he has more time than money and if he takes on more after school odd jobs, he'll then have no time to sail.

Huck, you have your Mistral and a powerboat that you can't sell. Are you REALLY sure you want to take on a third project boat?
 

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what should i look for?
Huck, buy this book:

Amazon.com: Don Casey's Complete Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual: Including Inspecting the Aging Sailboat, Sailboat Hull and Deck Repair, Sailboat Refinishing, Sailbo (9780071462846): Don Casey: [email protected]@[email protected]@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/[email protected]@[email protected]@5123rKu4ZXL

You seem to have in interest in collecting older boats in need of repair. This book will help you ALOT.

Try not to accumulate too much junk. You'l find just keeping that stuff will eat up your money. Try to keep things simple. Play with one or two toys at a time.

If you want it, get it. Just make sure...really sure...you actually do want it and will follow through fixing it up. Sounds like this little 26' is more along the lines of what you wanted to begin with, that your Mistral isn't providing. Be realistic with yourself about being able to afford it though. Just 'cause it's free doesn't mean it's free. People don't usually give away something of value. However, they do quite frequently dump their problems on unsuspectiong others.
 

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No such thing as free boat, kind of like puppies. But hell, why not, better to regret things you did than never have done anything. And as someone's tag here say's, There is nothing as important as messing about in boat's, or something like that. I took over ownership of my 28' when I was 18, still have it 23 years later.
 

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well im getting rid of my power boat i don't like it lol and lost motivation since its a powerboat and doens't have any thing i want or like its a trihull so it takes a pounding limiting my time on the water. small so i can't do a lot of stuff on it. and it cost money to run it. and the sailboat i was talking about is pretty much ready to sail i could sail it tomarrow just would have to replace the tiller piece of would since it snaped
 

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Huck (smallboatlover) is 16. I kind of think he has more time than money and if he takes on more after school odd jobs, he'll then have no time to sail.

Huck, you have your Mistral and a powerboat that you can't sell. Are you REALLY sure you want to take on a third project boat?
Or are Mom & Dad willing to have a third boat in the backyard? :)
 

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I know your a younger guy so maybe the experience, even if poor, might be worth it?
I'd say go for it, you'll learn a lot either way,

Brad
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so theres this free 26' sailboat full keel i think new rigging. the boat was overhauled about 5 years ago but it sat at the mooring for 3-4 years through the winter and huriicane still there and still floating. so i was told about it and went out and took a look i had permission to get on.
so the boat has no motor or trailer of couse and it sat on the water so its a bit dirty. ok the outside has gelcoat cracks of course. it has main and jib. winches 5 of them all together 1 on the mast. has sail cover. the tiller is broken just the wood piece tho. has roller furler on bow the jib was kept in the cabin.
ok so the outside isn't that bad needs a cleaning and waxing the hull needs to be scrubed and painted but now real rush before next year probally.
now for the inside its a bit beat up but has 2 marine batterys a radio a vhf a head i didn't look to hard but its enclosed also has foward v berth and bed/ couch and then dinet on the right and small sink and ice box. now i saw that the keel bolts are a bit ruseted and have some water around them but the hull other then that is dry is that a big deal?
so should i go for it and take it? im not going to take it out for the winter it will stay in a sheltered area since i know it can last winters nowsince it has for the last 3 years

what should i look for? sorry no pics
 

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I'm on your side here but I say don't do it. Just because you want something dosn't mean you need to have it. Save the thousands of dollars that the boat will need and put it into something more manageable. I know your heart is there and I really respect that in you, I wish I had mor drive when I was your age. The problem is with a project like this one heart isnt enough there has to be a wallet to back it up. I've read almost all of your posts because I bought a Mistral 16 just like yours. I know you are interested in cruising which is hard to do an a small boat with no storage.

I think you should spend your money on a boat that better suits your needs at this time. I know the boat is free, but I mean the money you would have to spend to make it useable. There are lots of boats that are under 20 ft that have a great reputation and can be cruised and sailed for much less money.

Look for a Rhodes 19 or Mariner with a keel, a Cape Dory Typhoon, Cal 21, the list can go on and on of pocket cruisers that you could get for a few thousand dollars. Four thousand can get you a darn nice boat.

Gain some experience on a boat you can afford to keep sailing, then when you have gone to college, gotten your dream job, and before you get married, trust me on this one, before you get married, buy your dream boat.
 

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well this boat is perfect for me it has every thing i need and i can go were ever i want even tho i probally won't go too far it will be nice to sleep on on the weekends and clean up and relax. and if i wanted to i could sail it tomarrow. so its a project that is usable but needs some work to bring back to pristine condition and i could probally live on this boat like i wanted to when im 18. any idea how to convice my dad? hes still kinda strong about not getting it but my moms on my side. Also i was thinking maybe just taking it and bringing it to my mooring and then tell my dad he'd be mad for a while but would get over it after a while its really risky tho and i don't like to get him mad. lol
 

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Do it. listening to the voices of reason is the reason people never do anything. 10 years from now, you'll be having a beer with your dad laughing about the sail boat you put on the mooring with out his permission. I've had my boat since I was 18 and have never had insurance or a survey. rather than buy stuff for it I took stuff off it and started sailing. And when you turn 18, sail south get the hell out of New England, I did.
 

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At the risk of sounding stuffy and overbearing: Please let's remember as we give huck advice that he's still a minor. Going against a parent's wishes at 18 is a bit different. I think we probably shouldn't encourage him to be defiant at this point.

I think it's awesome that he wants to play with boats rather than ride the Wii for endless hours and for the year that I've chatted with him, I've admired his willingness to do the work needed on his other boats. He genuinely enjoys working on boats and figuring things out. That's encouraging in a kid his age and will hopefully translate well when he goes out on his own. But until that time, he still has two parents to answer to.
 

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When I was 16, I would buy old cars, dingy's, motorcycles, what ever, with out My parents permission. Sounds like the kid has a good head on his shoulders. I reckon if my Father told me to absolutely not do something I would'nt have. When I was 19 I singlehanded my boat to Belize and everybody told me I could'nt and should'nt. It was the years prior to 19 that I aquired the skills to do it. At least he's on this forum and not some weird one.
 

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There are no free lunches in life

Why is it free? Why is it being given away?

As Newtons Third Law states-To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions.

What does it cost to put out on a morring? Suppose she breaks free and does $20,000 damage to another boat...do you have the wearwithall to cover that or can you even get insurance?


I am sure with your supposed drive and passion you could fix it up. Have you fixed up the other boats you have bought completely or did the nuance wear out quickly amnd now you are moving to another project? ( lots of people (adults do this). I have lots of dreams and wants...and my reality is I couldnt have them all right away or some were not possible at all.

CaptAaron-Do it. listening to the voices of reason is the reason people never do anything
Thats great advice...do you have or have had children? Lets use your reasoning in a couple of other scenarios not to far from this one thats some "adult" might have given him advice to. Your statement is not appropriate to a young teenage under his parents roof still.

How about...I want to drive....I know someone who will give me their car for free...
CaptAaron-Do it. listening to the voices of reason is the reason people never do anything
or

Theres this girl...shell give it up for free, but my parents tell me I should have sex at age 16...
CaptAaron-Do it. listening to the voices of reason is the reason people never do anything
Listening to others advice is a sign of maturity. Making well thought out decisions is another. Acting for Immediate gratification is a sure sign of immaturity.

I suggest you talk this over with your parent(s) and come to a decision with them. Their advice, since the really know you, will be tyhe best advice you can get in this matter. After all they will ultimately be responsible for your actions for a couple of years more. Dont lose your drive or your dreams.
 

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thanks guys and im just going to show him that i should get the boat then keep begging. clean up all my boating stuff get rid of all the junk. and yes i did have another project it was a motor boat first boat i got and it needed a lot of work fixed it up went out on it after a sumer found out the transom was junk. so i started it and reliazed it wasn't what i wnated i like sailing more and the motor boat isn't what i wanted. at all.
 

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also its be given awasy since the guy hasn't payed for his mooring and hasn't touched the boat in 2-3 years
 

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Ya, but we are talking about a little sail boat. I guess down here in key West, and having known a ton of teenagers, boy's and girls, with little sail boats that they fix up it's, not such a big deal. Look at Tanya Aidey, Robin Graham and the most recent little girl. If I thought the kid was stupid enough to drive off a cliff I would'nt tell him to. Ya'll are so worried about breaking off the mooring. How's 26 foot little sail boat going to do any thing like 20 thousand dollars of damage. It's going to bounce of stuff. Just tie it up good. Sorry if I over stepped my boundries to the Boy. Do his parents know he's on the computer?.... Listen Kid, if your dad say's no, that means no. If you can talk him in to it, go for it, fix up the little thing and have fun..... tie it twice.
 

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Listen Kid, if your dad say's no, that means no. If you can talk him in to it, go for it, fix up the little thing and have fun..... tie it twice.- Capt Aaaron
Good advice

How's 26 foot little sail boat going to do any thing like 20 thousand dollars of damage. It's going to bounce of stuff. Just tie it up good
Lets see..Little 26 sailboat braks off mooring in 30 knott winds...Carreens through mooring field...strikes a couple boats ( Bristols and Hinkleys)...hits a rock ( After all he is in RI where there are lots of them) puts a hole in her and sinks in the navigational channel. Cost for the deisel/ gasoline spill- $40,000) cost to have the boat removed because its a navigational hazzard- $40,000) No insurance so who pays and is liable.

Use you powers to convince your dad. Get you other projects finished and in order then approach him. Other free boats/ low cost projects will come along in your next 10 years for sure. Dont lose your dream of gettimng a larger boat, and it will happen.

Dave
 
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