[sailingdog]

I just found out from a friend of mine that Rocna now makes a stowable version of their anchor.

Here is a photo of the Rocna 20 stowable next to a Rocna 25 stowable. Notice the bolt and slot on the bottom of the anchor.



Here's a detail photo of the locking screw mechanism:



No idea on what the beasties cost though.

 

[jbondy]

Interesting. I wonder how it works? It also looks like here are two bolts under the roll bar.

 

[sailingdog]

By the looks of it, the anchor stock goes up through the blade and is locked in position by the bolt. The pin in the stock prevents the stock from passing through the slot in the blade, as does the bottom profile of the stock's end I'm guessing.

 

[genieskip]

I didn't find this on the net. Anyone know who is selling them? The only thing (other than $ of course) keeping me from getting one of the new anchors as a storm hook has been figuring out where to stow it. This would be a real help.

 

[sailingdog]

From what my friend said, they're not in full production and haven't been announced yet...but he worked with Craig Smith and got one shipped up from NZ. The Canadian manufacturer isn't up to speed on them yet either, so they're not readily available in North America right now.

 

[lbdavis]

I didn't find this on the net. Anyone know who is selling them? The only thing (other than $ of course) keeping me from getting one of the new anchors as a storm hook has been figuring out where to stow it. This would be a real help.

Wait for the Manson Supreme Stowable.

I agree with you that this sounds like a great way to keep a "real" anchor on board without re-doing bow rollers, et al. It's almost like the realized their anchor was a cumbersome and awkward shape.

 

[xort]

Canadian manufacturer?
I understood that they are making their anchors in china
distro in canada

 

[sailingdog]

Don't know where you got that idea, but Suncoast Marine is making them for North American distribution last I heard.

Canadian manufacturer?
I understood that they are making their anchors in china
distro in canada

 

[xort]

Manson posted it on another site...

 

[SVAuspicious]

Ahem. Apparently Dawg is my friend, or I am his. Who knew?

I have a Rocna Stowable 25 in the bed of my truck in Annapolis. It will be on the boat this week and wet this weekend. Anyone who wants to come play is welcome. It will be cold. To my knowledge there are two of these anchors extant as of November, my 25 and a 20. I don't know where the 20 is. I don't know when full production will start. I don't know what production pricing will be. I am an early adopter on the initial Rocna anchors, but I don't know why I was offered the opportunity to play with this anchor. If you ask any of these questions you are buying rounds for everyone who shows up to play.

To my mind - and anyone may feel differently - this means that there are only a few technically viable (cost aside) options for a really good holding, solid, readily stowed, secondary anchor: Rocna Stowable, Raya Tempest, Spade, and Fortress.

I am not going to be doing scientific testing right now. I have two years experience with a standard Rocna 25. My initial messing about in boats with this anchor will be qualitative comparison with the fixed anchor.

That said, anyone who is a degreed civil or ocean engineer with expertise in saturated soils who would like to coauthor a paper for SNAME and/or RINA on repeatable anchor testing should get in touch.

sail fast, dave
S/V Auspicious
wintering Annapolis MD

 

[sailingdog]

Considering that all of Manson's products are copies of someone else's designs, I'd take what they have to say with a large grain of salt. They've got four anchors—the Supreme, the Plough, the Kedge and the Ray.

The Plough, the Kedge and the Ray are very clearly copies of the CQR, the Danforth, and the Bruce. They claim that the Supreme is not a copy or derivative of the Rocna, but considering the fact that the others are so clearly copies of other anchor designs, I find that claim to be suspect at best, and the veracity of the company as a whole somewhat less the reliable.

Manson posted it on another site...

 

[SVAuspicious]

I understood that [Rocna] are making their anchors in china
distro in canada

Not as far as I know. I bought an anchor from Suncoast. What is your source of information? I think it is wrong.

 

[xort]

The Rocna was a copy of a design by Bruce, so where does that leave them?

 

[sailingdog]

Not true AFAIK. The Rocna's rollbar was taken from a Bruce designed anchor, but the rest of the anchor was very different from what I understand.

The Rocna was a copy of a design by Bruce, so where does that leave them?

 

[RXBOT]

The Rocna is more likely a copy of a spade with a roll bar added. Anyway I think the Raya has a lot simpler setup for a stowable and they have allready been out there for some time.

 

[sailingdog]

The Raya AFAIK is a newer anchor than the Rocna. It hasn't even been mentioned in the any of the previous tests that have compared next generation anchors.

The Rocna is more likely a copy of a spade with a roll bar added. Anyway I think the Raya has a lot simpler setup for a stowable and they have allready been out there for some time.

 

[RXBOT]

Sd

I was referring to the stowable version of the Raya has allready been manufactured for some time.

 

[TxLnghrn]

Manson posted it on another site...

I PM'd Craig Smith after that post. He acknowledged the rock-slot Rocna's exist for a very limited distribution area, but stated that the website showing Made in Chinatown as being an error.

 

[Valiente]

"Made in Chinatown"? A disgruntled employee, methinks.

 

[xort]

I got the info confirmed by GMAC, a distributor of anchors in NZ. He is a mod on the CF forum..."Rocnas are made in China now. This is only a recent change i.e the last few months. I don't know if the ones out of Suncoast Marine are but I'd think it would seem strange to make some there and some elsewhere. Anchors is a volume game so why split manufacturing would be my thought. Maybe Suncoasts are still made there but I doubt for much longer, it just seems to defy economic logic to do so.

You'll also notice that they now have a cast foot rather than a press braked plate steel. The Rocna website and info has yet to be updated about all of this. I do have issues about the covert way the implication is that they are NZ made but that's just marketing I suppose. By the way that is not a Rocna only thing and applies to more than one anchor outfit."