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Jackdaw posted about this over at SBO so I thought I would share the article. These things freaking rock! He can speak more to the performance as he has actually sailed one on more than one occasion. Spendy, spendy, spendy but.... man..... what a ride.

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I would love to go for a ride, once you get yours! But I am too traditional to deal with that cold spartan interior. That is one of the reasons I really liked Alex's Giulietta because it was a fast boat that has a comfortable interior.
 

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I only want the down hill ride, broad reaching passing waves. The transport crew will have to do the uphill slog to bring it home. : )
 

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Stumble,
If you ever come down this way (Oz) drop me a PM , we're breaking in a squeaky new 12.50, more than happy to take you out.

Shockwave, I know this is going to sound weird, but it is genuinely fun to sail upwind! I confess I am not sure in tall short choppy seas, but in moderate swell, you need a good 20 deg of heel to get the big arse out of the water, then she simply transforms. Great fun!
 

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Stumble,
If you ever come down this way (Oz) drop me a PM , we're breaking in a squeaky new 12.50, more than happy to take you out.

Shockwave, I know this is going to sound weird, but it is genuinely fun to sail upwind! I confess I am not sure in tall short choppy seas, but in moderate swell, you need a good 20 deg of heel to get the big arse out of the water, then she simply transforms. Great fun!
Shaggy, seeing as you own one, followed your thread over at SA, can you speak to that "cold spartan interior"? Maybe give us some more on how she sails as well. I know some folks are a bit "spooked" by these new designs..... ;)
 

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If you ever come down this way (Oz) drop me a PM , we're breaking in a squeaky new 12.50, more than happy to take you out.

Shockwave, I know this is going to sound weird, but it is genuinely fun to sail upwind! I confess I am not sure in tall short choppy seas, but in moderate swell, you need a good 20 deg of heel to get the big arse out of the water, then she simply transforms. Great fun!
I have beenfollowing your thread over on SA as well. It might be an interesting trip, come down for an A-Cat regatta, stay for a Pogo demo. I just have no idea how I would get that much time off of work.
 

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Shaggy, seeing as you own one, followed your thread over at SA, can you speak to that "cold spartan interior"? Maybe give us some more on how she sails as well. I know some folks are a bit "spooked" by these new designs..... ;)

Hi CB,
Hmmm...where to start? Lets pick on the interior. I can understand how people might balk at the lack of headlining and the spartan feel. Aside from the electronics, you could almost hose out the interior. Personally I love it. I am 6"1", and you have headroom throughout the main cabin, and in the forrard and rear berths there is an area to get changed that is also standing headroom. The exposed thwarts I thought would cause a few stubbed toes for my wife and kids, but I am happy to report nobody has even mentioned them, and no stumbles to date. I have been pleasantly surprised at the level of well thought out detail, there is a host of little things that are not immediately obvious that really make her a pleasurable experience for live aboard comfort.
On hot days with all the hatches closed she can get a bit hot and stuffy below, open the hatches and the change is immediate. The berths are massive, all have inbuilt lee cloths which you need due to their size, and the standard berth matresses are super comfortable. We have had a maximum of 9 on board to date with 7 sleeping at once, and we didn't feel crowded at all. There is a fair degree of noise in the cabin when sheets are loaded up and being used.

Sailing...is just captivating. Loads of power from 8 knots and above. My options list included dual heads, and dual wheels instead of the tiller, so I need 14 knots TWS to start planing (standard boats are high 13's).
The big surprise for me was the windward performance, I had heard all sorts of horror stories! Pointing angles are surprising, if you want to she'll hold 37 deg TWA, but her optimum angles seem to be 45-50. With the staysail up instead of the headsail, she points like a demon, we were sailing comfortably at low 30's TWA.
As wind increases, the best method to date I have found is to ignore the tell tails and steer off the heel angle, About 20 degrees is optimal speed, you get a noticeable lift in speed and can feel her lean against the chine and accelerate in the puffs.
You can overpower the rudders by oversheeting the traveller, but to date we have not even come close to losing control . My 13 yo can steer her without any round up's or broaches, its easier to sail than my old 26'.
it is a wide groove for the helmsman, and there is a stable almost rocklike feel to that beam that makes it such a joy to sail.

If I could summarise, this is a keeper. Fun, fast, stable and most of all, a ton of fun to sail! Can't thank Structures enough, they have built everything I wanted and delivered even more than I expected.
Hope this helps!
SB
 

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Hi CB,
Hmmm...where to start? Lets pick on the interior. I can understand how people might balk at the lack of headlining and the spartan feel. Aside from the electronics, you could almost hose out the interior. Personally I love it. I am 6"1", and you have headroom throughout the main cabin, and in the forrard and rear berths there is an area to get changed that is also standing headroom. The exposed thwarts I thought would cause a few stubbed toes for my wife and kids, but I am happy to report nobody has even mentioned them, and no stumbles to date. I have been pleasantly surprised at the level of well thought out detail, there is a host of little things that are not immediately obvious that really make her a pleasurable experience for live aboard comfort.
On hot days with all the hatches closed she can get a bit hot and stuffy below, open the hatches and the change is immediate. The berths are massive, all have inbuilt lee cloths which you need due to their size, and the standard berth matresses are super comfortable. We have had a maximum of 9 on board to date with 7 sleeping at once, and we didn't feel crowded at all. There is a fair degree of noise in the cabin when sheets are loaded up and being used.

Sailing...is just captivating. Loads of power from 8 knots and above. My options list included dual heads, and dual wheels instead of the tiller, so I need 14 knots TWS to start planing (standard boats are high 13's).
The big surprise for me was the windward performance, I had heard all sorts of horror stories! Pointing angles are surprising, if you want to she'll hold 37 deg TWA, but her optimum angles seem to be 45-50. With the staysail up instead of the headsail, she points like a demon, we were sailing comfortably at low 30's TWA.
As wind increases, the best method to date I have found is to ignore the tell tails and steer off the heel angle, About 20 degrees is optimal speed, you get a noticeable lift in speed and can feel her lean against the chine and accelerate in the puffs.
You can overpower the rudders by oversheeting the traveller, but to date we have not even come close to losing control . My 13 yo can steer her without any round up's or broaches, its easier to sail than my old 26'.
it is a wide groove for the helmsman, and there is a stable almost rocklike feel to that beam that makes it such a joy to sail.

If I could summarise, this is a keeper. Fun, fast, stable and most of all, a ton of fun to sail! Can't thank Structures enough, they have built everything I wanted and delivered even more than I expected.
Hope this helps!
SB
Between you and Jackdaw, you are really making me want (need?) to sail on one of these.... Awesome.
 

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Between you and Jackdaw, you are really making me want (need?) to sail on one of these.... Awesome.
everything I have read about the Pogo's has made me want one even more. The speed, simplicity, purpose driven design... It hurts my brain that in the US people still see sailing fast as a J-35 at 8kn when things like this exist.

And don't be scared off by the price. When you compare the 12.50 price to other 40' boats she is actually pretty reasonable. About $50,000 less than a Beneteau 43 for instance, or about $200,000 less than a new J-122.

No 40' boat is cheap, but the Pogo is far from expensive in her class. And good god does she look like fun.
 

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Hi Stumble,
Out of interest, I went out yesterday with 2 complete novices for a quick 2 hour sail (corporate gig) yesterday. It blew up to pegging 22-30 kn True, and I hadn't rigged the babystay and staysail, so being time poor we went out under main only.
It was sloppy seas, 1-2 mtr and short sharp.
We were holding 7 kn at 45 twa with a single reef in the main, I should have put in two but didn't have the time.
I engaged the autopilot just to see how hard it had to work, but hardly a murmour!
Every day we learn something new, like Pogo's can go to windward , even with an unbalanced sail plan. Happy skipper!
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Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round.

Nuff said.

How are you liking the wheels btw, I know for you they were a compromise over the tiller, but I think I would go with the wheels anyway.
 

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The wheel position is a long way back but it has really grown on me. One thing I didn't expect was the low side is just as good as the high side. You need lee weight in anything up to 12 knots true to get the arse out of the water so the leeward position is the way to go in light airs .
It feels strange when racing , boats around us have the crew on the rail, and we're all sitting in the cockpit on the low side, you look like you're out for a social sail :)
Visibility is excellent from both positions. If I had to pick again, I'd definitely opt for the wheels.
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The only race boat I have been on with twin wheels made me a convert. But I always drove from the low side. Even in a breeze I thought the view was better. But it really takes trust in the navigator on port tack.
 

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Generally by feel, but also by looking forward. I prefer to drive off of the wave I am on instead of too the wave I am heading towards. I think it makes for a smoother, and thus faster, motion. Plus you don't wind up over correcting for peaks that collapse just before you get to them.
 
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