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So, given this trend toward fewer and fewer liveaboard friendly marinas,
where could one moor/dock/drop anchor other than a marina?

I will assume that many sailors who live on their boats for any extended period of time (i.e. a couple of years+) and are not independently wealthy, do have a job on land somewhere.
Is this a fair assumption?
If not, I would sure love to hear about any viable source of income that can be maintained at sea.
But,
I'm going to continue to assume that most out there probably have held a land based job at some point while they are living on their boats.

So my question is; if there are no Liveaboard friendly marinas in the area of your land-based job (or they are all full, etc.), where do you anchor to sleep?
Where do you keep your boat during days at work?
For you folks with smaller boats that do not have a shower in the WC, where do you bathe?

I'm not particularly interested in hearing the stories of those who saved up for 10+ years for the money to cruise for 2-3 years.
Nor am I interested in hearing the about the monthly budgets of the extremely wealthy.

I'm interested in how regular people, with regular jobs are able to live on their sailboats for years upon end.

Let's hear it!

Thanks to all who respond.
 

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We are retired teachers (obviously moderate incomes) and have been living aboard since 1972. I would not agree that there has been a decrease in liveaboard opportunities, but I know that there have been difficulties in finding a long term liveaboard slip in some areas for decades. I will say that there are a greater number of marinas that have liveaboards, but post a notice that they do not allow liveaboards and will respond to phone inquiries that they do not allow liveaboards. Talk to dock managers in person , better yet present yourself at the dock with your boat in good condition and rent a slip. with the open declaration that you want to spend a lot of time on your boat. Ask if there are restrictions to the length of staying aboard. Walk the docks. Ask other boat owners about the policy and who to talk to. Present yourself as a respectable amiable person. Maybe suggest that you are interested in staying on your boat during the time of your employment. I stayed at one marina that didn't accept liveaboards, but allowed me to stay "during the time of my employment" for 21 years. Marina owners and management don't want to be confronted with "livingaboard" as a problematic issue, but they are likely to accept the payment and presence of responsible boaters who are not going to be a liability to their business. 'take care and joy, Aythya crew
 

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I've been in very few marina's that don't have some liveaboards in them. I would second the Cap'n's advice.
 

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Captain Force is absolutely right. My marina has a number of liveaboards and we will tell ANYONE inquiring that we are not taking any liveaboards. Unless we know you, like you and are certain you will not be a problem and a detriment to the marina and the town...we would not tell you yes. You are better off coming in for a month or two as a transient and proving you are a good guy before asking for an extended stay. Too many druggies, deadbeats and misfits out alone on boats to take the risk. No exaggeration....take the Beez as an example! :D :D :D
 

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Just to clarify, PBzeer is a misfit... not a deadbeat or druggie at least AFAIK:D ;)
Captain Force is absolutely right. My marina has a number of liveaboards and we will tell ANYONE inquiring that we are not taking any liveaboards. Unless we know you, like you and are certain you will not be a problem and a detriment to the marina and the town...we would not tell you yes. You are better off coming in for a month or two as a transient and proving you are a good guy before asking for an extended stay. Too many druggies, deadbeats and misfits out alone on boats to take the risk. No exaggeration....take the Beez as an example! :D :D :D
 

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LOL... well...more would be looking for a misfit than a deadbeat... so it may have upped his image a teeny bit. :)
 

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Great info

Thanks Captain.

So what I'm hearing from you guys is that the liveaboard regulations are a bit looser than they appear from the outside.

Camaraderie, do you suggest that transient docks can be used for months at a time? I guess that's all up to the harbor master.


CaptainForce, you mentioned living aboard in MA as if that were absolutely unheard of. Are there many states that have state mandates against liveaboards? If so, what state department would ask to find that out?
Or do you know off the top of your head a number of states that vehemently reject liveaboards?


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"CaptainForce, you mentioned living aboard in MA as if that were absolutely unheard of."

I don't recall anything said about MA....Massachusetts? We know liveaboards in Boston, Provencetown, & Onset. Georiga is the only state I know of that seems to have direct statutes outlawing livingaboard, but, even there, some are managing to remain aboard by interpretations that are in their favor. After retiring in 2002 Nancie and I have been cruising from Maine to the Bahamas with the seasons and we have often "lived aboard" at transient docks for an open-ended stay. We never stayed more than a couple months, but knew we were welcome to extend iftit was our choice. 'take care and joy, Aythya crew
 

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You sure didn't say anything about MA.
I had been reading the post from my email, and it seems the formatting separated the marina just after the 'ma'.
I just read through it too fast and came up with a new question based on misinterpretation.

Thanks for the answer, still!:D
 

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Thanks Captain.

So what I'm hearing from you guys is that the liveaboard regulations are a bit looser than they appear from the outside.

Camaraderie, do you suggest that transient docks can be used for months at a time? I guess that's all up to the harbor master.
Yeah...First, you find a marina that DOES have liveaboards so you know you have shot! Walk the docks...admire some boats and strike up conversations with the slip holders to find out the REAL situation.

I am suggesting that you go into a marina requesting a MONTH or TWO transient dockage and asking if they have monthly rates. (Daily transient rates would kill you!!) Then after a month or two of good behavior and making friends...ask the dockmaster if you can extend your stay since you like it so much there. That's how it works many places on the East Coast where space is available. Most places with waiting lists for NON liveaboard boats still keep transient slips but will NOT convert them to permanent so pick somewhere where people aren't lined up to get in already as those marinas typically don't want to be bothered with live-aboards. If you've proven yourself a good citizen and they have space...they'll be happy to take your money!
Good luck!!
 

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Liveaboards should be welcome!

Liveaboards should be welcomed by marina operators.

They are the 24 hour eyes and ears on the docks. At the marina I dock - (Old Bay Marina) they adjust docklines during a bad blow in the dead of night. During Hurricane Isabel - when most marinas on the Bay had damaged boats - it was the liveaboards along with other boat owners that kept the damage to almost zero - even though the marina looks directly down the Bay!

They notice that a boat is taking on water and alert the marina operator or even put their own pump on someone else's boat.

They know most of the boat owners and question anyone who looks out of place. Dock prirates keep away from marinas with liveaboards.

They tidy up the restrooms and the list goes on.

The list of liveaboards at Old Bay Marina includes a college professor, retired Police Captain, an engineer, etc.


It is up to the marina management to keep out the waterborne equivalent of trailer trash.

I am happy that my marina allows liveaboards.

Dr. George Janssen C&C 35
 

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One thing to add, you really do need to be in a marina if you're going to be living aboard but working a dayjob—since you'll be leaving your boat unattended for an extended portion of each day, and in most more populated areas, leaving a boat anchored out while you're at work is an invitation to having it sink, stolen, broken into, or otherwise bothered. By being in a marina, you eliminate much of the risks of leaving it anchored out unattended.

That said, most marinas will allow liveaboards, as pointed out above, as long as you are polite, clean and discrete about it.
 

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Liveaboards should be welcomed by marina operators.
If all the things you said were generally true...marinas WOULD welcome liveaboards. As it stands...some act like you say and others are misfits and cause issues which turn marina operators off to the whole idea...and the misfits are NOT a small proportion of those who would like to live aboard at the dock. When you have 100% occupancy and a waiting list for slips...why take the chance? The slip fees are the same for an "empty" boat.
 

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You may have better luck this time of year. Most yards renew their annual slip leases in March or April. Also, I've noticed that more and more marinas have slips that are not leased as the economy is also hitting boaters. A few folks in my marina have kept their boats on the hard after last winter and the For Sale signs are still on those boats, but the slips they were in are empty.
 

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So, given this trend toward fewer and fewer liveaboard friendly marinas,
where could one moor/dock/drop anchor other than a marina?
Let's hear it!

Thanks to all who respond.
:( My friend ........ I not know what to say to be honest

I think it has/is becoming a small amount of integrity of people. It a two way street of trust! The marina want a reputable person as the boater want the same. :confused: I hope you see.

I should *NOT* say, as many will not. Why? We not want to mess up a good thing. :eek:

You really need to get with people so they know you as a person. This the best I can say and be the person you are. They run lairs off, not take long to know a man/woman!!!!!!!

My marina is $700 per year and size up to 32', electric and water included. I as close to a car/truck as anyone for carrying to boat!!!!!! The guy do the labor, sprayed my boat with a pressure thing and made it look new!!! He was board! SO! it was free!! I buy him beer!! :laugher

That electric is a honor thing, it not like people run A/C and Electric stoves. See what I said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is some honor between both seller and consumer!!!!! We not abuse and they not jack prices!!!!!!

Just for trivia; to suck the the sewage?? When I first met the people, I see the dumper/sucker at the dock. I ask: "What you charge to suck out the holding tank"? The guy look at me as I was crazy and say; "We never charged anyone". :eek:

Bunch of great people but not just anyone have a dock! You have to build some type of integrity. How, I not know because that be cheating! ;)

Dang!!!!! I guess I not answer the question, but, I sure not want to mess that up. Maybe look on your charts for free ancorage, all I will say. I sorry, not want to mess up a good thing, sorry!
 

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"Liveaboards should be welcomed by marina operators. "
George, that's looking at the issue with blinders. Yes, in theory liveaboards may be all that and more, but a couple of security cameras and a hired watchman are way more predictable.
Consider what a liveaboard is: Someone with no ties to community traditions, no extended family in the area, a transient, vagrant, and drifter as opposed to someone who owns real estate and has roots and investments in the community.
That's how they are going to look at liveaboards, and let's face it, in our society liveaboards ARE THE ODD MAN OUT.
It gets even worse if there's a family living aboard, using the schools and lord knows what else, without paying the same taxes and making the same long-term committments as local home owners. Hell, they don't even register to vote, they might just be disaffected anarchists and loners who'd cut their lines and sneak off in the night.

As a certain Mr. Marx said, about not joining any club that would have him as a member.

I don't agree with the commercial bias against liveaboards, but certainly can appreciate their point of view. There's some instance of truth behind almost every prejudice.
 

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We are retired teachers (obviously moderate incomes) and have been living aboard since 1972. I would not agree that there has been a decrease in liveaboard opportunities, but I know that there have been difficulties in finding a long term liveaboard slip in some areas for decades. I will say that there are a greater number of marinas that have liveaboards, but post a notice that they do not allow liveaboards and will respond to phone inquiries that they do not allow liveaboards. Talk to dock managers in person , better yet present yourself at the dock with your boat in good condition and rent a slip. with the open declaration that you want to spend a lot of time on your boat. Ask if there are restrictions to the length of staying aboard. Walk the docks. Ask other boat owners about the policy and who to talk to. Present yourself as a respectable amiable person. Maybe suggest that you are interested in staying on your boat during the time of your employment. I stayed at one marina that didn't accept liveaboards, but allowed me to stay "during the time of my employment" for 21 years. Marina owners and management don't want to be confronted with "livingaboard" as a problematic issue, but they are likely to accept the payment and presence of responsible boaters who are not going to be a liability to their business. 'take care and joy, Aythya crew
RETIRED TEACHERS,,,,
In my state your making 50,000 plus a year for two RETIRED teachers.......What is your income combined that i pay per year?
Nuff said
Mark
 

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Charleston City Marina charges an additional $150 a month slip fee for liveaboards. We are not going to mention that we are going to live aboard since we really aren't until we've wrapped up things in Knoxville. We just need a place to put our boat and spend time every weekend.
We are nice people and hopefully when we finally are able to move aboard completely, it won't be an issue. If we need to pay the extra, then we will.
Of course, we haven't settled on Charleston City Marina yet. We have other options.
 
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