SailNet Community banner

1 - 20 of 26 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,707 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
America’s Cup Management announced Dec. 18 the entry list for the 33rd America’s Cup, which includes 19 teams.

Aside from the Defender, Alinghi, and the Challenger of Record, Desafío Español, a total of 21 teams presented a Notice of Entry. Seventeen teams were accepted and three were denied entry, as no further documentation beyond the Notice of Entry was received by the Dec. 15 entry deadline. Carbon Challenge, the Royal Belgium Sailing Club entry, has withdrawn.

Absent from the list of entrants were U.S. teams BMW Oracle and Anarchy Challenge. Larry Ellison, founder and CEO of Oracle Corp., said Dec. 9 that his Golden Gate Yacht Club sailing team, BMW Oracle Racing, would ignore the Dec. 15 filing deadline for the regatta.

Instead, BMW Oracle Racing and the sponsoring San Francisco Golden Gate YC will await the outcome of their last-chance appeal that will be heard by the New York State Court of Appeals early next year. If Golden Gate YC wins, it’s likely the Americans and Swiss would meet in a rare one-on-one showdown in giant multihulls.

“There’s no chance we will agree to the set of rules that Alinghi currently has on the table. No way,” Ellison told the Associated Press by phone from the Canary Islands, where he was sailing in a regatta.

In a Dec. 17 release, California’s Sailing Anarchy Yacht Club, which is based in Carlsbad, announced that it had submitted an entry -- Anarchy Challenge -- for the 33rd America’s Cup. Scot Tempesta, commodore of the club and founder of the sailing Web site SailingAnarchy.com, told The Log News Service by phone Dec. 18 that the club had not heard back on their application. He acknowledged that they “were indeed late” in submitting some of the required documentation.

On Dec. 19, Sailing Anarchy YC said in a release that it had been informed by Paco Latorre, communications director for race organizer America’s Cup Management, that its Anarchy Challenge had been denied entry into the 33rd America’s Cup.

Established in 2007, Sailing Anarchy YC is one of a handful of yacht clubs born on the Internet. It has approximately 400 members and is registered and sanctioned by US Sailing, Tempesta said.

The 33rd America’s Cup teams (in order of entry) include: Alinghi, (Swiss) – Defender; Desafío Español (Spain) – Challenger of Record; Shosholoza (South Africa); TeamOrigin (Great Britain); Team New Zealand (New Zealand); Deutscher Challenger Yacht Club (Germany); Green Comm Challenge (Italy); Ayre Challenge (Spain); Victory Challenge (Sweden); Argo Challenge (Italy); Mascalzone Latino (Italy); Team French Spirit (France); Luna Rossa (Italy); Russia Team (Russia); Joe Fly (Italy); K-Challenge (France); Greek Challenge (Greece); Dabliu Sail Project (Italy) and China Team (China).

The 33rd America’s Cup schedule is for two pre-regattas in Valencia in 2009 -- the first in July and the second in October -- plus, the Club Náutico Español de Vela annual regatta in November, followed by an America’s Cup Match in 2010.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,706 Posts
Desafío Español (Spain) – Challenger of Record
Isnt' the point of contention the fact that this "club" does not meet the requirements for being a legitimate challenger, being as it wasn't an "established club?" In fact: Isn't it merely a "front?" That's the word I read, over on SA, IIRC.

Looking at the list of entrants: There's not a single boat from anywhere in the Americas. It's not being held in the Americas. It has nothing to do with the Americas at all. So... er... "Americas Cup?" In what way?

Jim
 

·
Censored4 your protection
Joined
·
192 Posts
Yeah you're right. This is of no importance to any one in America or on this forum.

I mean there not A REAL yacht club...

They don't even have the right to want to race or sail.

Can you believe the NERVE of those raga muffins?

Pfft!...
 

·
Censored4 your protection
Joined
·
192 Posts
It is just like those despicable low life defilers to use a "front" to infiltrate this our virginal realm of sail racing!

I do declare!

I need to sit a spell, Can you get me some tea?:puke
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,707 Posts
Discussion Starter · #6 ·
Fat lady ( GGYC) wants to sing one more time

December 8, 2008

Pierre-Yves Firmenich
Commodore
Société Nautique de Genève
Port Noir
CH-1223 Cologny
Switzerland

Dear Commodore Firmenich,

This is to officially inform you that the Golden Gate Yacht Club and the BMW ORACLE Racing team will not submit an entry by December 15 for the regatta that SNG is organizing, which we do not consider a legitimate America’s Cup.

Rather, we will now focus our efforts and attention on winning our appeal before the New York State Court of Appeals – clearly the only avenue left open to create a fair and competitive challenge that preserves the integrity, prestige and tradition of yacht racing’s pinnacle event in keeping with terms of the America’s Cup Deed of Gift.

As you know, the Court has set a date of February 10 for oral arguments and is expected to rule on our appeal by the end of March. Given the stakes involved for the future of the America’s Cup, we do not believe a few more months represent an unreasonable delay.

In fact, we find it quite odd that SNG has set an arbitrary registration deadline of December 15 in light of the fact that a Court decision is so close. Indeed, the timing of your whole revived "preparations" for the regatta – initiated immediately after GGYC filed its opening brief in this Court – is only a transparently blatant attempt to influence the Court. Even so, we were willing to consider entering the event if SNG had given us an opportunity to review the Protocol and compare it against the Ten Point Plan we had proposed to achieve fair rules. Regrettably, SNG did not accede to this reasonable request.

Over the past 17 months, we have made a number of constructive suggestions to resolve the dispute outside of court and get the America’s Cup back on track. Yet SNG and your defense apparatus have consistently refused to negotiate with us in good faith. Instead:

- SNG created a sham yacht club to self deal and write your own rules for AC33, which were immediately condemned by seven yacht clubs as "the worst text in the history of the America’s Cup."

- SNG submitted a secret application to your hand-picked arbitrators to rubber-stamp your sham challenger of record and eliminate GGYC – a serious, independent competitor with the experience and capability to mount a worthy challenge.

- Before the trial court decision in November 2007, SNG unilaterally cancelled the 2009 America’s Cup and Team New Zealand sued you for it.

- When we won the November 2007 decision in the trial court, SNG refused to negotiate a mutual consent, multi-challenger America’s Cup in monohulls that would have put the Cup back on track for a 2009 event.

SNG’s defense apparatus has a track record of excluding top competitors from sailing events when they pose a real threat. Moreover, your recently revived "preparations" process has not been conducive to attracting a strong field of competitors. We have been excluded from the recent meetings, as has any challenger that declined to sign your non-negotiable nondisclosure agreement, thus creating a conspiracy of silence around a rules meeting of America’s Cup competitors unprecedented in Cup history. This is not the inclusive, open, transparent and democratic process required to develop a Protocol that will ensure the full participation of major teams in a fair and competitive America’s Cup.

SNG’s defense apparatus has tried to convey the false impression that you have relented on some of the more outrageous aspects of the current Protocol. But as far as we know, you continue to insist on such patently unfair privileges as the right to change any of the rules at any time, and to compete against the challengers in most of the challenger selection series races with no scoring consequences to SNG.

Why should we blindly enter the event when SNG and your America’s Cup team have proven so untrustworthy and fearful of fair competition?

As we’ve said before, if we prevail in court as we expect, as Challenger of Record we will once again seek to reach agreement with you on a traditional multi-challenger regatta with fair rules like those that made AC 32 one of the best, most exciting in history.

As our latest Court papers state, ―[T]he America’s Cup is special—indeed, it is unique in the sporting world—precisely because it is … a Challenge Cup, begun anew each cycle when an independent and experienced yacht club claims the right to put the Cup’s current holder to the test on whatever terms can be negotiated between relative equals—or under the Deed’s default match race terms if negotiations fail… A qualified, strong, and independent Challenger of Record is essential to the basic structure of the competition that the Deed envisions."

SNG and CNEV are entitled to hold a different kind of sailing regatta if you choose. But without several top competitors and major sponsors, without fair rules, without any regard for 157 years of America’s Cup tradition, and, most importantly, with your Club’s continuing reckless disregard for the Deed of Gift, it won't be an America's Cup. It will simply be an Alinghi Cup, and we see no good reason to participate.

Sincerely,

GOLDEN GATE YACHT CLUB

Marcus Young
Commodore


Ouch...........
 

·
Telstar 28
Joined
·
993 Posts
It'll be interesting to see how SNG and CNEV reply to this letter by GGYC.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,707 Posts
Discussion Starter · #9 · (Edited)
They are a established Club that holds regattas anually and as long as their boat met the stds, they could enter as a challenger.........They were late on the entry or they could have played

GGYC & SAYC were the only two US clubs interested it appears
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
994 Posts
There is no America in AC, at this moment - at thi moment
but a very strong Italian support like Mascalzone Latino, read this:

zerogradinord.net/vela/americas-cup/americas-cup-vincenzo-onorato-scrive-a-ernesto-bertarelli/
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,707 Posts
Discussion Starter · #12 · (Edited)
A damn sight more established than the "challenger," that's for sure.

Jim
Yeah, CNEV put on their first regatta 5 months after they threw down their challenge, 6 months after GGYC threw down theirs ( IIRC )

It's a shame,
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,705 Posts
Quote from Oracle's letter to SNG: "But without several top competitors"

What??!!!?!?

Seems to me from the list of competitors offered by PDP, the only competitor missing from the last AC is Oracle BMW.

It is also interesting to note that there are a whole lot of new teams entered and if a few others had got off their asses in time, they would have swelled the ranks even further. So the contention that Alinghi or the SNG has messed up the AC has to be erroneous.

IMHO, the US interest in the AC went south along with the brilliance of O'Conner. Larry Ellison has made a valiant attempt but the American challenge for the AC has become more a matter of sour grapes than anything else. So they had one pulled over them. So what? Get over it. Come back and show the world how good you are at sailing, not in the court room.

The AC will go ahead without Oracle and it'll be good in spite of that. And the Louis Vuitton match racing series to be held in Auckland early this year will prove to be even better. Same boats (swapped between teams for each alternate race), same course, different teams. It doesn't get more even than that.

For the record, I don't support Alinghi. I hope that finally Emirates Team New Zealand kicks them in the slats.
 

·
San Juan 26
Joined
·
395 Posts
I'm rooting for the Kiwis myself.

I think the root of the problem for the US teams is that it is next to impossible to get the American public interested into any other sport besides football.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,706 Posts
Quote from Oracle's letter to SNG: "But without several top competitors"

What??!!!?!?

Seems to me from the list of competitors offered by PDP, the only competitor missing from the last AC is Oracle BMW.
And the rest of them should be embarrassed. That they're not tells me all I need to know about the AC and its competitors.

It is also interesting to note that there are a whole lot of new teams entered and if a few others had got off their asses in time, they would have swelled the ranks even further. So the contention that Alinghi or the SNG has messed up the AC has to be erroneous.
From my old .sig:
If fifty million people say a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing. - Anatole France
It doesn't matter how many people support a wrong thing, it's still a wrong thing.

So they had one pulled over them. So what? Get over it. Come back and show the world how good you are at sailing, not in the court room.
"One pulled over on them?" No. Somebody tried to pull one over on the race, and GGYC called them on it.

The AC will go ahead without Oracle and it'll be good in spite of that.
Alinghi has conspired to violate the terms of the Gift of Deed. Everybody knows it. You know it. Thus, whatever race is held won't the the "Americas Cup." It will be a sham and a farce.

I hope that finally Emirates Team New Zealand kicks them in the slats.
Thus showing you, like the "competitors" that entered despite it being a sham and a farce, care more for the results than whether the race was fairly run.

Jim
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,707 Posts
Discussion Starter · #16 · (Edited)
Quote from Oracle's letter to SNG: "But without several top competitors"

What??!!!?!?

Seems to me from the list of competitors offered by PDP, the only competitor missing from the last AC is Oracle BMW.
The competitor missing is the legitimate Challenger of Record ( GGYC not CNEV) all other competitor are competing in a challenger selection series under IACC for the right to challenge the defending club for the Cup.


The AC Challenge is and has always been a race between 2 boats, 2 clubs, 2 counties
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,707 Posts
Discussion Starter · #18 ·
More twist & turns

In responce to GGYC compliant, CNEV says

With respect to the obligatory nature of the Challenging Club to hold a regatta in open sea waters, as demanded by the Deed of Gift, we would point out that there is no mention of whether such a regatta should take place before, or after, the acceptance of the challenge; With respect to this, we would point out that the Club Náutico Español de Vela, has organised two regattas, which will take place in Santander this month.”
The event, a junior competition for Optimist sailors, which took place during the CEAR de Vela Príncipe Felipe de Santander meeting and the winner received the Trophy Desafío Español.

Also, GGYC still may not be the legit COR, it appears that the Royal Thames Yacht Club may have applied to become Challenger of Record, after the Club Náutico Español de Vela, but prior to the Golden Gate Yacht Club.

However, RTYC lacks sponsors
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,707 Posts
Discussion Starter · #19 ·
And just how obligatory is holding a regatta in open ocean or a arm of open ocean
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,706 Posts
"Obligatory" is not subject to degree. Something is either obligatory or it is not. It'd be like saying "very dead." There is no degree of death. Somebody or something is either dead, or they/it are not. As regards CNEV's argument: That's utter stuff and nonsense. Anybody with half a brain, and that can read English, can see that the intent in the Deed of Gift is so that only real yacht clubs can challenge. CNEV is not and, apparently, remains, anything but a "real yacht club."

Jim
 
1 - 20 of 26 Posts
Top