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Discussion Starter · #1 · (Edited)
First I'd like to say that I have read the numerous post here (Catalina 36 owners forum) regarding our boats characteristics for 'Bluewater' sailing and the many owners thoughts on this. There is quite a range of thoughts on this and there is quite a bit of inspiring posts based on first hand experience (Ron Kyles etc.) which makes me confident in my intended journey. While I do not plan to cross any of the major oceans at this point in my planning, you never know where the wind might take us.

We are the proud 3rd owners of an 1988 C-36 berthed in Channel Islands Harbor in Oxnard, Ca. We have had her for 2 years, in which time we have done quite a bit of work as I will list.

1) Replaced all opening ports and re-bedded (obviously)

2) re-bedded all chainplate covers on the deck

3) added a larger bow roller and 45lb Mantus anchor with 150' of chain and 200' of 8 plait rode

4) electric windlass with wired control and wireless remote

5) New heavier 'offshore' main sail with 2 reef points

6) ditched dutchman system and added lazy/ ez jacks

7) New MFD/ chartplotter

8) Radar and Garhauer Radar post stern mounted with engine hoist

9) Life Raft mounted on pushpit

10) Dinghy and motor

11) running rigging (still more to do but will get done this winter)

12) new bilge pumps (thoughts on adding them to port and starboard sides as to work while heeled?)

13) compost head, removed holding tank and all associated plumbing in order to open up more storage relieve demands on electrical system

14) New lifeline AGM batteries for hous bank and increased AH (should probably change the starting battery as well)

15) removed propane tank from aft lazzarette, upgraded to Composite with more capacity and push pit mounted in order to free up storage in Lazarrette

16) added proper backing plates to pulpit and pushpit (G-10)

17) re-did deck paint with new non-slip (Total Boat product)

18) cleaned and diinfected all water tanks

19) cleaned and inspected genoa

20) new gaskets on both hatches ( think I need to replace the forward hatch as one of the nylon 'pins' of the hinge is protruding quite a bit and for the life of me I cannot get it to budge back into position

21) New LI and solar powered cooler/ refer which runs on LI power bank that can be used to charge electronics as well. The nav desk chair has been removed the cooler is in its own compartment which can slide out to access and the chair has been mounted back to the top of this compartment. ( it required no new attachment points so can easily be converted back to original configuration)

22) refer to port of galley sink/ top loading

23) stuffing box/ gland re-packed and new pedro hose, new cutlass bearing

24) removed single center mounted bow clete and added 2, 1 on both stbd and port side of bow w/ G 10 backing plate

25) G 10 backing plates on stern mounted cletes

There may be more I can't rattle off right now.

On my short list to do is to/ inspect:

1) replace/ upgrade standing rigging

2) Alternative charging/ power source ( Solar, Wind?)

3) Engine over haul, valve adjustment

4) new wind and depth instruments as I can't read the display on depth very well and new displays are not much cheaper than new system so thinking I should just upgrade so mnfg will be same across the board on my electronic suite

5) Steering system overhaul

6) proper backing plates (g 10) on stanchions

7) figure out best way to new run reefing lines ( don't really care if they go back to cock pit)

8) figure out best system for rigging spinnaker as has no system currently, but do have a nice un-used asym

9) Water maker/ de salinator, looking at a new LI powered portable system from seawater pro, this way I can take it with me if and when I get my dream boat and also as to not place more burden on my house bank

We would love other suggestions and thoughts, things I may have missed as I just rattled this off the top of my head.

Our plan is to start with taking a year off ( I don't think its enough time, wife is open for more depending on how it all goes). Head south slowly next August down southern Ca, down coast of Baja ( I've previously sailed to La Paz from San Diego) spending September and October in Bahia Asucion, and mostly Scorpion Bay surfing and keeping a keen eye on the weather and hurricane forecast, if needed with good forecasting and preparation we can head north to Turtle Bay in the event a Cane' decides it wants to re-curve into the peninsula. I've been plotting huricanes for the last 4 years, I feel confident in this plan with that and based on historical data. End of October when the Bajahaha passes by we're gonna chase them to La Paz and spend some time in the Sea of Cortez before crossing to main land Mexico and working our way south over the winter. Eventually making our way to El Salvador before the start of the new Hurricane season and on to spend summer in southern Costa Rica and pacific islands of Panama surfing, diving, fishing and exploring. I realize this is also the rainy season and when the south swell season is at its peak. Thinking Golfito and the Golfo Dulce region. When fall sets in head east through the canal and winter in Carribean Panama etc....

I would love some insight mostly on boat prep and things I may have left off in those regards, as well as any points of interest and must do's must haves.

Cheers! I hope to have some responses and look forward to it!!

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From Tempest above:

Any long range communications? SSB, Sat phone in the plan?
A way to get good weather forecasts
Spare anchor (s) and rode
Any kind of preventer set up
Sea berths like lee cloths or boards
Jack Lines
A way to secure companionway hatches.
Life raft?



As far as long range comms. go, currently just Garmin In Reach, also need EPIRB for emergency situation.

For weather forecast Iridium Go was the plan, upon email correspondence with predict wind I asked if there was any plan for a newer improved system and they said it was in the works but not sure on release date. I'd hate to spend the money today and find out tomorrow the new improved version is being released.

Good point on spare anchor and rode, I do have one and extra chain, it will be on my list of things to remember.

No current preventer set up other than re-directing a line tied to the boom. Suggestions?

Wife is making Lee Cloths.

Jack lines are current and on board.

Companion hatches need help. Maybe a solid piece of Lexan or simillar. Also safety bars for tropics for hatches and companionway hatch.

Have life raft.

How about a good spare parts list and tools suggestion. I actually have a really good set of tools that I feel confident with but am interested in ideas of some obscure tools I may have not thought of.

I always wondered about this SSB radio stuff, I need to study up on that. The gentleman I sailed Baja with before had a ham radio set up, was quite nice to listen to the 'nets', don't have time to delve into that world. Is SSB a different system with generally same capabilities as HAM or is it completely different?

Thanks Again,

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^^^^HA! Ya this boat was an office for a writer in Hollywood, it needed lots of help re: deferred maintenance, which is what a lot of stuff has been. I don't think anything was really done other than engine maintenance ( which I'm happy for). I had to do a lot of the things listed just to feel prepared to sail out to the islands and explore and to prevent incessant leaking of ports and hatches and chain plates. I have a wife and 13 y/o son so safety is paramount in my opinion.

Per Tempest:

Plugs for thru hulls
Good first aid kit. ( I also used to carry some antibiotics, and pain meds, )
Sail repair
Hose Clamps of various sizes
Electrical kit as mentioned. Wire, connecters, voltmeter, etc.
Tarp.


I have all this on board currently, as for first aid my wife is an Acupuncturist and I have been a cert. Wilderness First Responder for 20 years as previously I was a mountaineering and rock climbing guide in Yosemite National Park and throughout the western US, Spain and Greece during the shoulder seasons.

In my original post I asked about installing bilge pumps on both the port and starboard sides beneath the settes. Is that done or is that overkill? Seems like thats where you'd really want them when sailing heeled over.

I am on the 'Starlink' list, gave Elon my $100 a year or so ago, still waiting. I followed the post here re: marine service. It varies from what the starlink site says, but I'd prefer that to Iridium Go if in fact it hits market in the next 8 months.

Thank you for the 'spares' list, will work on that.

Sailing Fool:

Thanks for that, I've read it numerous times and will read it again and again, as it always seems to get posted anytime someone mentions the C-36. I've followed a gentleman from NZ who C-36 made it there from Seattle and he and his wife quite often sail the coast of the North Island and up to Fiji, Tonga etc.... Properly outfitted and with out throwing caution to the wind I feel confident in my journey and preparations.

This thread will continue to be a great resource for us thanks to everyones thoughtful replies.


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^^^Ya, that would be about now (were 8 months out or so) may have to go Iridium then keep fingers crossed....Of course I'm flexible and the departure is generally a rough estimate. So much to do, finishing boat projects as well as house projects in order to rent the house. Currently in the process of selling my business so we have a lot on our plates and the dream departure is subject to be re-negotiated.
 

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Ya, because internet service is so good on the west coast of Baja at all the marinas.... I'm not depending on anyone or anything other than myself, thank you.
 

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I agree it was Snarky, I far from have the answers, my apologies.

Having cruised Baja and having overland Baja for the last 30 years I know that lack of reliable cell service let alone internet on the Pacific coast, and according to my plan, which is to hang out in Hurricane zone during some of the most active months I would prefer to have the ability for a reliable forecast source in case I need to get the hell out of dodge.

Once I round the cape and am heading along the mainland it ( cell service, internet availability) may be more reliable I would imagine. A sat phone will not be onboard.

Again, I apologize for my snarkizm.

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^^^ GeorgeB

Do I need a 'HAM' operators license for SSB? It seems there are mixed feelings on an EPIRB....

Oh ya I remember the wind, howling or not at all. I currently have a whisker pole. Will that be adequate or should I look around for a spinnaker pole? If the whisker is adequate, I'd prefer to put my money towards other expenses.

Izzy:

You mentioned no need for Iridium (I understand not NEEDED, a nice luxury I guess), do you use SSB or some other? Would that be a more well rounded piece of equipment? I like the idea of 1 time up front cost vs. things that you have to buy then pay monthly subscriptions for.

For water maker I'm looking at seawaterpro.com, they are coming out with a portable Litium Ion powered unit. I talked with the owner/ designer, seems interesting and more compact than the Rainmaker system, no gas to boot. With Lithium technology creeping into everything I like the idea of not having systems on my house bank if possible. I have a cooler that operates on Lithium battery and its really nice, can even make ice cubes...


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Well, i certainly will not being spending $4k on a dinosaur. And I'll wait till the bitter end as per MarkofSealife so that maybe starlink will be available by then. Glad I got out of the crossfire. I was confused by Izzy's first post about not needing any of those (Iridium and Sat Phone) but upon further clarification and simple math I see what his point was now. Back to my Iridium plan....

How about bilge pumps on the port and starboard sides as to be effective while heeled over?
 

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Strange all this back and forth about LI and Lead acid. In my original post I never said anything about having LI house bank, nor do I discount it, it just wasn't in my budget, so I swapped out the current 12 y/o deformed AGM for some nice new shiny happy AGM batteries. For budget constraints, I didn't want to change my entire electrical system and my solar guy said same thing about LI in far off places, because if I've learned anything about my boat, its that even if just removing a bolt it can send you down a rabbit hole of a damn rebuild of stuff I never imagined.

Where I do use LI is in power banks that power other portable devices independent of the boats systems. I'm not a salesman or rep, just showing the items I use and how I keep loads off my house system.

1) gosun.co/products/chill

2) seawaterpro.com/pages/portable ( This is an LI system I'm considering)

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^^^

Not trying to change your mind.

Not taken as so. Just trying to clarify my original post as I am a fan of LI, but since this is not my 'forever' boat I had to decide where I wanted to put money as to not have a pig with too much makeup, when ultimately she may still be a pig to someone else no matter how beautiful I think she is.

I appreciate everyones input regardless.

I'd actually be pretty interested to bring it back around and get some thoughts on the 2nd. list in my original post.

Particularly:

5) Steering system overhaul ( quadrant, etc..)

8) figure out best system for rigging spinnaker as has no system currently, but do have a nice un-used asym. I do have spinnaker halyard and sheets, but strangely no tack

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Haven't dropped the rudder, but I do agree that at least the steering quadrant should probably be up graded and the stops and cables etc... It's on the list. Thanks
 

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Not sure why you would want a watermaker with a separate lithium battery. You still have to charge it, the charging is taken away from that charging your house bank, and you don't get the use of that battery capacity for any other purpose. Why not just add capacity to your house bank instead?

seawaterpro.com/pages/portable

The LI battery is integrated into the unit, I won't need to haul around a single separate battery. It can run on AC, DC plug directly into a solar panel to charge etc. I like the idea because I don't want to use my available storage for installing a system. I love my boat and it will be great for my planned voyage but it is not my 'forever' boat. I'm trying to use systems that can come with me in the future or be sold off for more than the value they may add to my old boat. For example that water maker could come with me in my van on a Baja surf trip where I don't take the boat and basically extend my off grid situation there as well.
 

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Cool. This is why I post here. Trying to learn some things. Water makers are expensive.

EDIT: You have stoked the imagination, Im'a figure something out. Cheaper too....
 

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Ya, I just saw they offered one w/o the battery. I'm looking around at other systems and considering my options. I have removed my holding tank and all associated plumbing, water pumps, macerators. I do have some space in awkward places and existing thru hulls that are no longer being used for aforementioned items. I'd want to put in new thru hulls that hadn't previously been used for poop however.
 

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Discussion Starter · #64 · (Edited)
^^^^
Almost everything about living on a boat can be fixed by proper application of cash.


Of which I do not have.

I think a lot of this thread is showing trying to do too much, too soon, with not the understanding and thought needed because of the trying to do too much too soon.

I guess replacing my ports that leaked like mad, were 30+ years old, rebedding deck hardware that had never been re-bedded, installing modern electronics, replacing 13 y/o batteries, getting a dinghy so I can explore the islands with my family, replacing a head with a system that I prefer because I had a major incident based on the PO lack of upkeep etc...is too much too soon?

I'm just trying to be thorough and self sufficient so I can get out and cruise my boat instead of spending years in a marina wasting $535 month. I live 6 hours from my boat, so I have a lot of time to think about things yet no one to run my thoughts by. When I go down to the boat I like to have some projects and plans lined up and to know which ones to shelf for later. I live in the boonies. Hence this forum and post with the idea of learning some stuff from people who may be willing to impart some knowledge my way.


EDIT: Like that?


Any positivity is appreciated.

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Thats good. Also was thinking that if I mount the water intake where the water intake for the electric flush was it's a non issue for me, the outflow/brine could be one of the other thru hulls/ macerator exit.

Any suggestions on watermaker. I've changed course upon info gleaned here from helpful folks. I'm tossing the idea of that portable one I mentioned and instead looking at the Spectra Ventura 200T. I'm not rushing out to buy anything right now, just studying and shopping, and certainly am open to suggestions and such.

Thanks
 
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