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I am sure I will get different opinions about this because I can see both sides, though I feel a tad stronger for mine. I would, however, like to see what others think. I have volunteered numerous times for various sailboat deliveries through OPO and other sources. I have not yet had a bad experience: until now.

This was not Rockdawg bad, but still pissed me off.

Here was the post I responded to:

“I had a crew member that hard to cancel today (4-30-14) because of illness in the family.
I will be skippering a Beneteau 42 Center Cockpit. Departing (weather permitting) Baltimore Maryland on Monday May 12th and arriving in Hamilton Bermuda on Friday May 17th and setting off from Bermuda on May 27th (after a nine 9 day layover) and arriving back in Baltimore, Maryland on Sunday July 1st. The boat is fully equipped with safety gear, electronics, weather router and communications equipment. There is no smoking or alcohol consumption while at sea. I will need one (1) crew with offshore experienced. Crew must have all personal & safety gear. The trip is free with all reason able on board expenses included (food), but more exotic provisioning and social drinks paid individually. The crew must cover transportation expenses to and from the boat. I would like the crew to e-mail me, their sailing resume.”

I have sailed with this guy before and saw that I might be able to make part of the trip, so emailed him and told him I could make the sail back from Bermuda if he needed me. He said he would be happy to have me sail with him again. I emailed him on May 2 saying I would fly into Bermuda on either May 25th or the 26th and asked if I could stay on the boat so I didn’t need to rent a room. He said I could stay on the boat. He never mentioned that he might depart early.

Now when I commit to a crew position like this, I know that there may be weather delays. So I make myself available for at least twice the expected sail time, because I don’t want to ever leave a skipper stranded because of my time constraints. I have never planned on extra time at the other end and have never thought of it. So for this trips I made certain I had ten day and even possible two weeks available. I had to reschedule court dates, which takes time because I have to go into court to do it. I also declined an offer to race in the Figawi, which is something I love to do. More importantly, I try to make a trip like this once or twice a year and it is not easy to block out times for trips like this.

So the Friday before I left I emailed him and confirmed that I would be flying in on the 26th for departure on the 27th. He emailed me back and asked if I could move my arrival date to the 25th because now he wants to depart on the 26th. I told him I would see what I could do. My ticket to Bermuda was only $160, but it would have cost me and additional $350 to change my departure to a day early. So I told him that I couldn’t justify that cost and that I would still need to pay for my transportation from Baltimore back to Boston. But I told him if he could kick in half I would do it. I also pointed out that my flight came in at 11:00 A.M on the 26th. I knew he had to sail from Hamilton to St. Georges and I told him I could meet him there. He then told me not to bother coming. I was really pissed and wanted to lay into him, but I exercised restraint and here was my response:
“I truly wish you had informed me that you may depart earlier than your posted departure date, which you posted as the 27th. I let you know as early as May 7th that I would be flying in on either Sunday or Monday, and you didn’t suggest Sunday or earlier. Wasting $160 doesn’t bother me as much as the pain in the ass it was for me to reschedule appointments and court cases so I could have enough time off to make sure I could wait out any weather delays and crew for you. Once committed, I didn’t want to let you down. It also bothers me that there were other sailing opportunities that I gave up so I could crew for you, including a spot for a race this weekend that I do most years. I am also glad that I checked in with you because I would have been really pissed if I arrived in Bermuda only to find out that you had already left.

On the other hand, I know that sail plans change, and yours is probably being dictated by a weather window. So I am writing this so that you may understand the inconvenience these changes may cause your volunteers, so that maybe next posting you will advise them to arrive early if there is a chance that you are going to depart early. I would hate to think because you don’t have to pay OPO members you feel their time has no worth.

Fair winds.”

Never heard back from him. No explantion, nothing.

So the lesson I learned is to ask if there is a possibility of an early departure and plan accordingly.

I know this is a very long post and thank anyone who takes the time to read it.
 

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Thanks for the opportunity to evangelize once again on paying to work on a boat. Yes, by agreeing to pay delivery expenses (transportation to the boat) that is what you are doing. I bet if that captain had to pay for your plane ticket he would have been a whole lot more accommodating.

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that sucks dude!

ive done the pay my ticket to get there twice now and the captain pays my return fare...

I would be really mad at a situation like that...but I guess it happens

I think what happened is he didnt respond and just left cause it was the easiest way to leave when he wanted to...disregarding your investment...

if it were me I wouldnt sail with that guy anymore and if anyone asks about him I would warn future people and tell them the truth...about what happened

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Hey ...sorry to hear that, Slayer. This sucks big time. I know there are many are just like that. It makes you appreciate more when you meet a good one.

It is easy for me to say. But the fact is just to move you. There are plenty of good ones out there too. My recent served Captain left me his $1.8mm boat. He said please look after her and sail her anytime you want. LOL.
 

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It never ceases to amaze how many people are totally unaware and in their own little egotistical universe. Sorry you had to deal with this. Next time he needs help he may not find any.
 

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I learned a long time ago that theres two positions on a boat: the owner, and, everyone else.

So I stopped sailing on other peoples boats, and bought my own boat :)



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By the way, i disagree with the other posters who considered this to be a "job".

It wasnt.

Slayer was going on vacation. He was getting leave from his normal job to go walkabout.

So what happens on a normal vacation? You get travel insurance. Because vacations can collapse.

This the costs are too low to insure so Slayer self insured it.

It is a piss off to have been screwed over.


Hope the next one is better. But dont make it a job... Vacations are more fun! :D
 

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Did you check the forecast to see if he had weather related reason to leave 1 day early?
When was he planning to let you know?

I'd be pissed too. My gut tells me he found another crew member in his 9 day layover, or the original crew member re-appeared. Assuming (I know that's a bad thing) that he didn't leave shorthanded.

Seems like crappy thing to do.. just to save $175 ( his portion of your generous offer) He had to know that changing a ticket last minute costs $$ and that you had to jump through hoops to clear your calendar.
 

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I would be pissed, if I lost the money in this circumstance. Hard to judge the skipper without their side of the story. Weather, etc?

The email to the skipper was a farewell email. Not that you would want to take another chance with him, but it certainly poisoned the well and you won't be given one either.

Live and learn. Sail for free, if you like, but don't pay to do it.
 
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I am constantly amazed at those of you who will expend your own money to crew on someone else's boat. It is work. They should be picking up the tab for you.

If everyone refused to do this, the owners would be forced to pay for crew and/or use delivery captains.

Hey, it's a free country and a free market, do whatever you want...but I second the recommendation to buy your own boat and tell these clowns to pound sand...
 

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I am constantly amazed at those of you who will expend your own money to crew on someone else's boat. It is work. They should be picking up the tab for you.

If everyone refused to do this, the owners would be forced to pay for crew and/or use delivery captains.

Hey, it's a free country and a free market, do whatever you want...but I second the recommendation to buy your own boat and tell these clowns to pound sand...
James how can you call something you enjoy work? Climbing mountains, hiking trails, running marathons all require effort. It's not sitting on a beach drinking a Piña Colada, but work? Now I do tell my long time girl friend it's "like" work to make the idea of me being away unsupervised for a week or so more palatable to her. But for me it's a great and much needed adventure. And I have met some wonderful people who are now long time friends. And there are other perks. Numerous times the boat's owners have taken me out to dinner in very nice restaurants, and I was even treated to a fabulous brunch at the Annapolis Yacht Club (Egg and crab Benedict..yummm!). What I can't understand are these people who pay to fly around the world to hit a little white ball around someone's well manicured lawn. But hey, to each his own.

And though I have thus far been lucky, I do assume some risk. But for me it's worth it.
 

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I am on the side of "it is work" only because you are on someone else's schedule. If it was "vacation" you would be setting the itinerary. Why you would pay your own transportation to crew for someone is the first question that popped into my head, after all you did have to send a resume.

Just my $.02;)
 

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For what it is worth, I think your good bye letter was premature, if you wanted to keep the lines of communication open. At this point you do not know his reasoning for aborting your plan and you have severed relations with him for future adventures. Is that a lose-lose equation? Also, I think the cost of your ticket taken in context of what it would cost to finance a sailing trip from Bermuda to Baltimore is almost insignificant and could be easily overlooked, given possible circumstances at the other end. It is always better to talk things out...and then sent the poisoned dart as needed.
Good luck in the future
 

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thats true too...maybe he never even left who knows!

anyways...

Im always amazed at how thin minded some people are on here...the world can be as big or small as you want it...have no idea why everything must always be perfect for you, spend as little, risk as little and basically have it all planned out or its considered foolish...

basically look for somebody else to ride with...look for easy going responsible people and if you indeed get tired get your own boat...

but its not like you can fly your own boat on whim whenever you want right...?

there is always a compromise to things...

cheers
 
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