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Completely agree. Remove ALL private money; corporate, union, personal, other special interests -- ALL. The only contributions I'd allow is actual personal volunteering. If you want to contribute to a campaign, then go work the phones or the streets.

The amount of time and money wasted on elections has now reached obscenity levels. Even here in Canada elections now cost in the billions. And I can't even comprehend the amounts spent in American elections. If even a portion of this money was spent address actual issues, our countries would be far better places to live.
Elections are like a parasite economy... lots of jobs and contracts and so on...
Gotta find a way to make it all publicly financed - ALL.
 

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It feels to me that unless the US does some sort of course correction re wealth redistribution... or providing jobs and an employment environment where the majority of people can have a "decent life" there is trouble on the horizon.

It's almost unfathomable that capitalism which has allowed the capitalist class to prosper so much has done it on the backs of "labor" and this will as was predicted be the undoing of capitalism.

It feels that capitalism - corporations feel no "social responsibility"... and only care about their bottom line - profits.

Of course there are many very wealthy generous and kind people. But there are way more selfish hoarders who keep hoarding... depriving the working, poor, and middle class... and worst of all... blame those less privileged for their plight. Medical expenses have bankrupted middle class families. Many middle class families can't afford to pay for college education. This is a failure of capitalism... and the "everything for profit" system that we must live with. As soon as someone advocates "providing" for "things" cries of communism and socialism are heard. How stupid!

People around the world are waking up... that will be coming here.
 

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It feels to me that unless the US does some sort of course correction re wealth redistribution... or providing jobs and an employment environment where the majority of people can have a "decent life" there is trouble on the horizon.

It's almost unfathomable that capitalism which has allowed the capitalist class to prosper so much has done it on the backs of "labor" and this will as was predicted be the undoing of capitalism.

It feels that capitalism - corporations feel no "social responsibility"... and only care about their bottom line - profits.

Of course there are many very wealthy generous and kind people. But there are way more selfish hoarders who keep hoarding... depriving the working, poor, and middle class... and worst of all... blame those less privileged for their plight. Medical expenses have bankrupted middle class families. Many middle class families can't afford to pay for college education. This is a failure of capitalism... and the "everything for profit" system that we must live with. As soon as someone advocates "providing" for "things" cries of communism and socialism are heard. How stupid!

People around the world are waking up... that will be coming here.
Righto. There is trouble on the horizon. It's basically the difference between Capitalism and Socialism. Those who support Capitalism believe that hard work, intelligence, and guts should naturally be rewarded and are in keeping with the natural state of things: meritocracy. That's not what has come to pass in America. We are in a system of nepotism and unearned income which has totally skewed the balance of wealth. I believe socialism does not work. It has failed time and again because rewarding a work ethic is essential. The majority will take the path of least resistance....not working. Things grind to a halt. Communism and the like are lofty and idealistic but ignore human nature. So how do we fix Capitalism???
 

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Scandanavian "socialism" seems to work fine for their citizens. Vulture capitalism is a disaster for everyone but the vultures. NO hard work is not rewarded and we don't have a meritocracy. That is nonsense. Sounds like a great idea It is not practised. Things like college entrance are a good example...

A nation which values wealth over all is in serious trouble,
 

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NO hard work is not rewarded and we don't have a meritocracy. That is nonsense. Sounds like a great idea It is not practised. Things like college entrance are a good example...
TO take that further I don't believe a meritocracy is possible in groups larger than a small village. We will never eliminate greed and cannot stifle human ingenuity. So unless we believe that screwing the other guy is a valid form of "merit" it's never going to work past a certain point. IMHO one of the reasons times of war see the greatest levels of human development is that we all agree to work together...without that threat hanging overhead it devolves to every person for themselves and eventually the "better mousetrap" becomes a better way to rig the system...
 

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Always funny when people start complaining about "socialism" and capitalism." All functioning countries include a mix of these approaches. Socialism is simply a collective response to challenge or issue which cannot be managed by the individual or a market.

Some obvious "socialist" initiatives are public infrastructure; roads, bridges, electrical grids, street lights. etc. It also includes stuff like fire departments, police, medicare (in most countries), and the military.

So called "free markets" (which are never 100% free), are great at delivering some needs, but not all. This is where successful countries, from the USA to Sweden, rely on a mix of approaches. Some lean more one way or another, but all use both.

Communism is not socialism, just like fascism is not capitalism. Both of the former are totalitarian forms of government, and are not necessarily related to the latter. Yet people (on both sides) use these boogeymen to try and scare people into NOT seeing what really works.
 

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I think Mike gets at some of where "capitalism" seems to come up short... Let's call is "social welfare"... education, housing, health, banking services, insurance, maybe legal services.

If you look at NYC you will enormous growth of properties for the wealthy and a decreasing supply of housing for everyone else. It has driven all rents up... made them unaffordable forcing people to move far to the edges of the outer boros, sometimes too far to economically commute to work. This is an example of a failure of capitalism. But to the capitalist it is an example of how successful capitalism is.

Socialism is not intended as a nanny state. But it seems to address the basic needs of all people.... which are no profitable for the capitalist.
 

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I have a whole fist full of recommended changes and zero hope any of the changes would ever be implemented. But I throw them out here just for laughs. I call them my:

RULES FOR FIXING AMERICA

Minimum wage in any city must be higher than hourly parking rate
Senate 3 terms max, house 6
Bus/transit system must be free

PRESIDENTIAL SELECTION
Pick 7 unindicted ex-goveners under 70 in a ramdom draw. They get to pick running mate from same group. Primary election selects the top 3 within 3 months. Then do a run off in another 3 months. Retain the current Electoral College system for Primary and Run Off.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Must be CITIZENS between 21 and 65. No felony convictions.
Set it up like the Selective Service, in fact have the Selective Service run it.
A reverse lottery is held, the chosen one then takes a drug test. There can be a few allowable exemptions, a death certificate will do.
Then you serve your 2 years.
At the end of 2 years you are free to go back to civilian life OR you may opt to request permission to stay as a Representative. If you wish to stay there is a vote, simple “stay” or “go.” You can serve a total of 6 terms, 12 years. If the vote is “go” then there is another lottery and the process starts over.


ABORTION
It’s a religious matter, not mentioned in constitution because it is a church matter. All government actions pro/con should cease. SCOTUS should rule congress has no mandate to rule on abortion.

MARRIAGE
Same as abortion, SCOTUS should rule it a religious matter. All tax incentives, plus and minus, should be ruled illegal and be done away with. Divorce court is the enforcement of a legal contract a civil matter. That will be tough to sort out, courts are probably stuck with that. Not that you are single or divorced but either the contract is binding or not. Tough.

CARNIVORES
Fine, but you need a license. It’s easy, once a year you have to go to a licensing bureau, and demonstrate that you can kill, clean, and dress your diner. You have to pay expenses for this license. OK, maybe every 5 years. But no license, no meat. Sure Dad will get the license and feed the whole family on his ticket, but it moves in the right direction. Maybe also have them sit through a video on respecting animal lives.

TSA = workfare
Quantitative easing for the masses

HERES THE THING
Look at this list for things you LIKE. Yeah I know everyone can find something to hate about everything, boring.

The challenge is to take an idea and IMPROVE IT. Make it your own. Find something positive to support.
 

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I have a whole fist full of recommended changes and zero hope any of the changes would ever be implemented. But I throw them out here just for laughs. I call them my:

RULES FOR FIXING AMERICA

Minimum wage in any city must be higher than hourly parking rate
Senate 3 terms max, house 6
Bus/transit system must be free

PRESIDENTIAL SELECTION
Pick 7 unindicted ex-goveners under 70 in a ramdom draw. They get to pick running mate from same group. Primary election selects the top 3 within 3 months. Then do a run off in another 3 months. Retain the current Electoral College system for Primary and Run Off.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Must be CITIZENS between 21 and 65. No felony convictions.
Set it up like the Selective Service, in fact have the Selective Service run it.
A reverse lottery is held, the chosen one then takes a drug test. There can be a few allowable exemptions, a death certificate will do.
Then you serve your 2 years.
At the end of 2 years you are free to go back to civilian life OR you may opt to request permission to stay as a Representative. If you wish to stay there is a vote, simple “stay” or “go.” You can serve a total of 6 terms, 12 years. If the vote is “go” then there is another lottery and the process starts over.


ABORTION
It’s a religious matter, not mentioned in constitution because it is a church matter. All government actions pro/con should cease. SCOTUS should rule congress has no mandate to rule on abortion.

MARRIAGE
Same as abortion, SCOTUS should rule it a religious matter. All tax incentives, plus and minus, should be ruled illegal and be done away with. Divorce court is the enforcement of a legal contract a civil matter. That will be tough to sort out, courts are probably stuck with that. Not that you are single or divorced but either the contract is binding or not. Tough.

CARNIVORES
Fine, but you need a license. It’s easy, once a year you have to go to a licensing bureau, and demonstrate that you can kill, clean, and dress your diner. You have to pay expenses for this license. OK, maybe every 5 years. But no license, no meat. Sure Dad will get the license and feed the whole family on his ticket, but it moves in the right direction. Maybe also have them sit through a video on respecting animal lives.

TSA = workfare
Quantitative easing for the masses

HERES THE THING
Look at this list for things you LIKE. Yeah I know everyone can find something to hate about everything, boring.

The challenge is to take an idea and IMPROVE IT. Make it your own. Find something positive to support.
I can get behind most of this, especially the transit. It kills me when cities (especially prevalent up here in Canada) think transit should somehow make a profit—that just results in less busses and higher costs which sort of guarantees it wont make a profit.

I do draw the line at the meat thing. Maybe we modify it to accommodate Omnivores. Let's say you get 3 rations of meat a week and have to hunt your own if you want more. Meat overeating has lead to some of the more disgusting meat factories and E coli outbreaks.

And you forgot guns.

FIREARMS
All Households are automatically entitled one standard long gun each for purely functional use. Extra guns and guns of a specialized nature will be awarded on basis of displaying appropriate competency and/or need.

Probably the hardest sell of the bunch :grin
 

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I don't see abortion as a religious issue at all. Your religion may dictate how you feel about it but that does not make it right or wrong.
 
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