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One day my wife and I would like to go cruising. A few years ago we cruised the Bahamas on a hunter 45 center cockpit and really enjoyed the layout of the boat. The rear cabin was large enough that you could walk around as if it were a bedroom in a house. My wife really enjoyed the rear deck where she could lay out and sun herself.

As I look on yacht world, there are very few cc's offered that are recently constructed - ie. within the last 10 years. Additionally, it seems most of the cc's that are available in the mid 40 ft range are hunter passages.

Why are there not more modern cc's being manufactured? I like the deck salons, however the rear cabin seems tight with the ceiling a few feet above the mattress. Seems like it would feel like a cave at night. Thoughts would be very welcomed.
 

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My guess is that putting the aft cabin under the aft cockpit has become more popular. Several "advantages" to that layout - engines are smaller so they don't benefit as much from the big engine room under a C/C, people generally prefer an A/C on deck - sail visibility, drier etc. C/C doesn't generally work as well for boarding from a sugar scoop, A/C interiors feel bigger than C/C layouts - less corridor space. Look at the differences in the interiors from a womans perspective and I think you'll have your answer.

Just MHO. :)
 

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The folks I have met who have a center cockpit all seemed to be quite happy with it, so I believe it to be a matter of personal preference. The comments already offered are quite valid, though, and should help with your decision. As to inside space, my personal experience is that we spend very little "awake" time below - other than in the galley (and even then) - but, again, that will depend on the crew and whether or not you have a decent dodger/umbrella set up to keep you comfortable in most weather.
 

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I remember the boston boat show in 84 they had a 36' CC S2 there.
I fell in love w/ that boat. If I had money to burn, the chase would be on for a Bene 36 cc. For me there's something about the deck space & the rear stateroom on a cc that very appealing.
 

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In prior days on centercockpit commonly had a queen berth aft and forward. Neither comfy in a seaway whereas quarterberth was comfy spot and no leeclothe/bundleboard needed. Now a days with broad stern of ac boats can either have two staterooms or quarterberth and multipurpose area ( workroom etc.) in aft portion of current designs. Still, although HR is pushing a new line of ac boats they sure sell abunch of cc boats and even revised their 43.
 

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Thanks everyone for the comments.
Svauspicious, I also wondered the same thing - maybe people who buy them (cc's) just dont sell them. My wife and I plan to attend the Annapolis boat showin the fall and will look at more aft cabin boats - maybe there is an aft cabin that is close to a cc in space in the rear birth.

Other than the passage, can anyone recommend another cc?

Many thanks.
 

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I love my CC. I do think those who own them tend to stay with it. I have had several folks just out of the blue offer to buy mine.
 

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We had one but it was older - a Peterson 44. We loved it. We didn't want a CC at first, but once we actually went aboard one, we changed our minds. It was a great layout. Good luck with your purchase.
 

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I think it depends on your usage. If it was a long term cruiser/liveaboard with a family, that rear cabin can be a godsend with kids. Gives them a place of their "own" (or vice versa.. gives the parents a place of their own)

But for a couple... an aft cockpit would be better.

For more than a couple cruising.. say two couples.. perfect.

I like and dislike them. I like the cleverness of them.. but as I want to liveaboard in the near future... I want the biggest continous cabin I can get
 

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I think they look ugly on a small boat, but they can look just fine on a larger boat. They are practical when sailing with two couples because they can really give some privacy in the aft cabin. Sort of like a multihull, very separated spaces.

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I agree, I think the CC design is a great one. However, many people don't like the look of a CC. I've heard them called "wedding cakes". I've also seen a lot of comments that CC's don't really "work" until you're over 35 feet, because of the practicalities associated with where the stairs come in, galley layout, etc. I think that now that manufacturers have figured out how to squeeze aft cabins into aft cockpit boats, they've found a found a formula that meets a larger segment of the market, especially in the 27-35' range.
 

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We had one but it was older - a Peterson 44. We loved it. We didn't want a CC at first, but once we actually went aboard one, we changed our minds. It was a great layout. Good luck with your purchase.
I had the same experience. I didn't really consider center cockpits originally. Other requirements drove me to at least look at a few. I simply couldn't find an aft cockpit boat that sailed as well and was as comfortable below.

Center cockpits may not be for everyone but to my surprise they are definitely for me.

I like and dislike them. I like the cleverness of them.. but as I want to liveaboard in the near future... I want the biggest continous cabin I can get
Why? I'm not challenging your conclusion, just curious on why that is what you want.
 

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I had the same experience. I didn't really consider center cockpits originally. Other requirements drove me to at least look at a few. I simply couldn't find an aft cockpit boat that sailed as well and was as comfortable below.

Center cockpits may not be for everyone but to my surprise they are definitely for me.



Why? I'm not challenging your conclusion, just curious on why that is what you want.
It all depends how the manufacturer handles the design. Your Halberg Rassey 40 is a beautiful well thought out CC. A Bristol 45.5 is too. Even a Irwin 38 or Endevor 42 see to work well. However. Benneteau 36 CC or Hunter with its already elevated cockpit is a uncomfortable ride. In the Benetaus you feel you are almost sitting at the bow. It's almost like the cockpit was an afterthought.

Halbergs like yours are way different and of course you pay for the great design and craftsmanship. It's when the manufactures decides to take a regular aft cockpit and convert it to a CC to capture the space market it doesn't seem to work.

I myself have no preferences for or against CC in general, but it has to make sense on the individual boat. We have looked at both. It's funny the two we get torn between are the Mason 44 aft cockpit and the Bristol 45.5 CC.Course if I hit the lottery the Halberg Rassey comes into play.:)
 

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I've had both center and aft cockpit boats. Sailed a center cockpit which was a 52 for 10 years. Nice. As indicated, great for separating master stateroom from guests, and room for a nice master/head aft. Now sailing a 38 aft cockpit, also nice, but certainly not as roomy.

That said, I think there is a minimum size boat on which center cockpit works for a number of reasons.

1. For spray, and comfort on deck it's better to drive from a position well aft of the bow. The shorter the boat, the closer you are to the pointy end, even closer when sitting in the center.

2. Wedding cake effect is amplified on a shorter boat. You gotta go up to get head room/engine room below. Also, this sitting high might be less comfortable in a sea way especially if your boat is short and light.

3. You need enough room below to really get the forward and aft cabins with enough size to be useful.

I'm not sure I can pinpoint a minimum size that works. Clearly Oysters, Little Harbor, Bristol, Hylas and others build or have built some centers that look great, and are world cruisers. Most of these are high 40's and up. IMHO they work best when they are relatively large. This is all mission dependent. YMMV.
 

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Why? I'm not challenging your conclusion, just curious on why that is what you want.
As a childless couple, we do not need the privacy of the rear cabin. With a large continous cabin that an Aft Cockpit offers, we can "enjoy" all the room in one sitting instead of having to get out, cross the cockpit, and moving to the rear cabin.

I would not pass up a nice CC if I found one at a good price. In that case, I would probably convert the rear cabin into the galley and eating area and open up the main cabin into a living area
 

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As a childless couple, we do not need the privacy of the rear cabin. With a large continous cabin that an Aft Cockpit offers, we can "enjoy" all the room in one sitting instead of having to get out, cross the cockpit, and moving to the rear cabin.

I would not pass up a nice CC if I found one at a good price. In that case, I would probably convert the rear cabin into the galley and eating area and open up the main cabin into a living area
Most modern and many CC have inside passageway to aft cabins. Many times they have great storage workshops along it.

With a CC comes an engine in a different spot than aft cockpit also.

Hey never thought of the Galley in the aft. May be rough under way. Course if you can fit a Viking range in there with hood system....I am game.
 
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For center cockpits, I am partial to the Hylas 46. Also look at Tayana, Morgan, and Passport. For a roomy Aft cockpit boat, the Catalina 47 is hard to beat as far as interior volume goes and a great cockpit. I like the visibility forward and the island queen stateroom that a CC offers. I just bought my second Cc the first was a 1990 Catalina/Morgan 44.
 
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