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a second sighting of his activities. Maybe worth reporting just to try getting him to slow down. There's a lot of smaller vessels that would likely not turn out so well with him flying through.
 

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I find it easier to turn my stern to the wake in close quarters. The bow would be better but you'd have to turn almost 180 degrees to do it. Putting your stern to the wake only requires about 20 degrees so you usually can get it done before the wake hits you. The result is not much different than running downwind in a big sea. Not as good as bow on but better than rolling beam to beam.
Ditto for reporting the guy to the CG or local law. Some marinas and property owners do this routinely for people damaging their docks.
 

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I find it easier to turn my stern to the wake in close quarters...
I've done that for smaller wakes. But my walk-through transom with outboard well would guarantee that I'd get pooped with a wake that size. Also would be a total guarantee that my prop would come out of the water after the crest, and the powerhead might even go underwater after the trough. Stern-to would have been the absolute worst option for my boat in this situation.
The bow would be better but you'd have to turn almost 180 degrees to do it.
Nowhere close to 180 degrees. A passing boat traveling 24 knots generates a wake that is traveling almost transverse to his own direction. So getting your bow pointed angled toward it is less than 45 degrees.
 

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Last weekend anchored in potters cove. Open anchorage with no channel. Got buzzed a few times by 40-50' stink potters. Let out dinghy to end of painter. At least kept them 30' off the stern. Guy near me in old novi hull through out some of his lobster pick ups. Between us kept stinkers away from our sterns.
Rude is rude. It pisses off the guys in the white hats as well even if they are power boaters.
Coming home clearing narrow spot near a light house. Going wing and wing with bride running the boat to increase her experience. Small sail boat on starboard beat with deck sweeping Genoa out going through same spot. Gybe my jib to port and give him room. He changes course and nearly hits us. Yes he was on starboard tack but he had plenty of room to maintain course and we were draft limited at that spot. Asked if he saw us when we were 5-10'. Got "I'm on starboard tack expletive expletive expletive."
Rude is rude even if it's a sailboat.
 

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Since there was no permanent damage I am not interested in getting the authorities involved. However, I am interested in all the responses that lay out the procedures for what to do if something happens in the future.
Rick, believe me I'm not one to go looking for trouble but I was at the point of considering a handheld RPG for this guy. When I saw the local water cop hanging out in our marina, asking for his advice got the job done in a low key way. :wink

a second sighting of his activities. Maybe worth reporting just to try getting him to slow down. There's a lot of smaller vessels that would likely not turn out so well with him flying through.
Daniel, it sounds like a matter of time until this guy hurts someone.

I wonder if he's the type to get some pleasure out of this or if he really doesn't know the harm he could cause. More than once I've had conversations with local power boaters who had no idea what their wakes could cause -- either way it sounds like he's due for a wake up call...
 
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QUOTE=JimMcGee;2908753]

.......I wonder if he's the type to get some pleasure out of this or if he really doesn't know the harm he could cause. More than once I've had conversations with local power boaters who had no idea what their wakes could cause -- .......[/QUOTE]

You are probably right, as you say most likely they have no idea what is happening in their wake.
Swerving through the flotsam and jetsam of the hoi polloi at high speed takes concentration. One would not want to get champagne on the club tie or jostle the Grey Poupon at 20+ knots - no time to look behind, someone might scratch the hull by not getting out of the way snappily!
Expensive as those yachts are they do not come with the rearview mirror commonly seen on a bicycle. 20 feet above the water and forward of the noise and damage they distribute, our masters of the universe most likely interpret the shaking fists, single finger salutes and all that chatter on the radio as simple envy.
As mentioned before, probably the best bet is to broadcast on channel 16 the location, direction and speed of the nautical hazard.:eek
 

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Don't you guys carry flare guns onboard? :grin
 

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I guess he was very hungry, so in a hurry to get to the Chesapeake Inn:

 

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Small sail boat on starboard beat with deck sweeping Genoa out going through same spot. Gybe my jib to port and give him room. He changes course and nearly hits us. Yes he was on starboard tack but he had plenty of room to maintain course and we were draft limited at that spot. Asked if he saw us when we were 5-10'. Got "I'm on starboard tack expletive expletive expletive."
Rude is rude even if it's a sailboat.
If it gives you any satisfaction, the guy was in the wrong. He was the stand-on vessel and not supposed to change his course. If he did, it was his responsibility to avoid you. Starboard tack is irrelevant.
 

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If it gives you any satisfaction, the guy was in the wrong. He was the stand-on vessel and not supposed to change his course. If he did, it was his responsibility to avoid you. Starboard tack is irrelevant.
I noticed that too, and had started to type it earlier today when a meeting started. As stand-on you have to maintain course and speed. It's an obligation, not a right-of-way.
 

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Thanks guys. That's my understanding as well. Back out into the bumper cars of Narragansett Bay.
Thing is the increasing attitude of some of the nouveau rich of entitlement and the ennui of of the judgement proof underclass. The solid citizens aware they share the world with others are increasingly affronted with these egocentric people.
 

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Thanks guys. That's my understanding as well. Back out into the bumper cars of Narragansett Bay.
Thing is the increasing attitude of some of the nouveau rich of entitlement and the ennui of of the judgement proof underclass. The solid citizens aware they share the world with others are increasingly affronted with these egocentric people.
It's not just the rich. I've had plenty of bubba bowriders with operators in cut off camo attempt to swamp my canoe or kayak almost certainly on purpose over the years.
 

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Has anyone taken the New Jersey boater course recently?

I took it when the requirement first came in, but I don't remember them paying any attention to boat wakes at all during the class. Just a multiple choice question on the test that you should slow down in a no wake zone.
 

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Has anyone taken the New Jersey boater course recently...I don't remember them paying any attention to boat wakes at all during the class...
I wouldn't expect them to cover this in the Joisey voision of the coise. :p
 

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OK, I'm feeling feisty tonight, so I sent this non-anonymous note to the guy on Facebook. I'm curious to see if I get a polite response, or the usual New Jersey "FU" salute:
Bryan, I have a friendly suggestion for you. I think that you need to be more careful about your speed and distance with which you pass other boaters. You passed me on the Delaware River last Saturday morning (July 11) at 11:18. You were going 24 knots and were less than 60 feet away. Your 4-foot wake made a mess of my cabin and nearly swamped my 25 foot sailboat. I tried to hail you on the radio, but you did not respond.

I mentioned this incident to a friend who sails on the Sassafras River, and he said that you had done something similar to him on July 5. He even described your boat exactly - blue hull, "The Tardis."

I am not sure whether you are aware that all boaters are responsible for any damage that they cause to others - not just direct collisions, but also wake-induced injuries and damage. I would hate to see some rowboat get sunk, or even worse, a small child get thrown overboard. But these things have been known to happen when vessels pass too close and/or too high a speed.

Some friends have suggested that I report you to the authorities. I do NOT intend to do that because no permanent damage was caused to my boat, although it was a close call. Instead, I am just sending this friendly reminder. You seem like a stand-up guy, so I will assume that you just don't realize what sorts of problems you may be causing, and what sort of reputation you may be getting in the small, well connected world of pleasure boats.

Thanks for you attention to this.

Yours truly,

Rick Sonntag
 

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There was a period where I delivered six gold plate Sport fishermen north each spring, and south each fall. 4 days from Lauderdale to Norfolk.
I would try to be as courteous as possible, but the sail boats had to do their part for things to go well for both parties.
If a power boat in the ditch (well anywhere, actually) comes off a plane to pass a sail boat, then the sail boat must slow down to idle speed to allow the power boat to go by with a minimum wake. If the sail boat maintains his speed of say 5 knots, then the power boat must do at least 8 to get by in a reasonable amount of time. At that speed, he is definitely throwing a bigger wake.
It is a give and take situation and both parties need to under stand how to make it easy on the other.
 
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This seems like a lot of time and energy to expend just for getting waked by a powerboat. Whatever makes you happy, I guess.
 

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This seems like a lot of time and energy to expend just for getting waked by a powerboat. Whatever makes you happy, I guess.
I agree, except it will not make me happy.

I've been waked by dozens of sport fishers, especially on the Elk River and C&D Canal. It happens, no big deal. But never like this. 24 knots at 50 feet is crazy. (60 foot distance between our GPSs - subtract 50% of our beams, and it's only 50 feet) And he did the same thing to others a week earlier. If someone doesn't warn him, he may really hurt someone. That's why I wrote to him.
 

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Coming around Sandy hook, a few years ago, trying to beat out on a light wind some idiot did something similar overtaking me. It shook all the wind out of my sails, threw stuff around, and of course, warranted the obligatory middle finger salute. I probably should have just motored out of there instead of sailing in Sandy Hook Channel so my decision to have sails up in the land of the discourteous was partly at fault. Sometimes you just have to figure that you are in hostile territory and plan accordingly:)
 
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