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Maybe this is a Florida thing - but it seems there are a lot of professional sailboat lookers out there - they claim to be buyers but once a price is agreed to they disappear - I don't know if its cold feet or they just enjoy making offers and not following through - boats sold through CR or other on line sites - I assume its different if boat is listed with a broker - have sold a lot of sailboats over the years and its just a strange phenomenon - maybe they just like the hunt but when it comes time to come up with the money - they move on. This is on boats $15K and under - sorry just venting a bit - its about 1 hour 15 minutes to my boat - so I always try to make sure they are serious.
 

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This sounds similar to what happened to me when I was selling all my stuff out of the house ... lots of people would contact me asking about a toaster oven or chairs or whatever, and claim interest only to disappear without a trace later. I had people asking me to meet them 1/2 way with the item (because they didn't want to drive so far) ... I quit doing that after the first time I got stood up.

I don't understand it, personally. But it seems to be a thing where people go through the motions but don't actually bother to pull the trigger.
 

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Years ago was selling a sailboat in Jax FL - a guy from Tampa swore up and down he wanted the boat - the price was right , he had the cash and he was heading my way - about a 3 hour drive - he called me 2.5 hours later and said he was 30 minutes out and would see me shortly - he never showed - never responded - figure he either died in car crash or wife got through to him at last minute and threatened to kill him. My sailboats tend to be in expensive _ under $10K - no contract - whoever brings the cash first gets the boat.
 

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To play devil's advocate, I'm on the other end of this discussion as a buyer. Looking in the $50 -$100k range. I've driven three hours one way to look at a prospective boat based upon the pictures and description only to find that the pictures were at least several years old an in no way represented the current condition of the boat. I guess there could be a discussion with the owner and asking them to provide a current set of pictures that show "proof of life" with for example, today's newspaper in the photos. And there are usually clues in the descriptions. Anyone listing equipment or sails as "NEW in 2008" is trying to be manipulative. The casual reader will remember NEW when in fact these sails could be beyond their service life. I would simply prefer the description to read sails, good condition or serviceable...something like that.

I see both sides. So what is the solution?
 

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Well:

If your boat was on one of the bluewater boat "lists" or in a "book", in excellent condition, has all the newest best "toys", a new engine, new sails, stocked with cold beer, was priced 20% below any similar listed boat, and you accepted 60% of the asking price right up front, ...................................... it might sell to the 20th "I want a boat to sail around the world next month, but have never sailed" guy ............................................. IF you threw in the desired sexual favor by bending over and taking it.
 

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I used to get upset when people flaked out, but then I decided "he either died in car crash" that's what usually is happening. I have much more faith in people now, I just KNOW there's a good reason they don't show up. Or call back. Or whatever they did.

I'm just glad I don't get invited to the funerals. Saves wear on the suit & dress shoes.

Which is actually how I got involved in bigger boat racing years ago. Got a call Friday evening from a friend who crewed for someone, saying he couldn't make it tomorrow would I be interested in taking his place? Called the owner, showed up on time the next day, got told the problem was that folks just didn't show up and he needed commitments for the whole series, could I do that? Yup. Just showing up *counts*. Fewer and fewer people seem to grasp that these days.
 

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We are really flabbergasted by those who will engage us in an email dialog that might last over a week about a potential charter, and then they are gone, never to be heard from again.
I am extremely conscientious about terminating an email conversation that I chose not to continue with an email thanking that email person for their time and explaining I'd rather go a different way or whatever.
Isn't that just common courtesy, or am I expecting too much from people these days?
 
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I try not to look at any boat that I am not seriously interested in - I might look at lots on line, email a few with questions and look at a couple - knowing I have the cash ready and if I really like ready to buy - I came across a Pearson 34 with shallow draft close to my existing boat ( a Pearson 30) the boat in pics was on the hard - the bottom was recently done , in the pics, and the boat was said ready to go - it did have a newer engine - but got there - in a slip with a small reef growing on it, stanchions were leaking , a bulkhead had rot - the centerboard pin needed replaced - means dropping a 600lb centerboard to fix - all of this was evident in 5 minutes - would not have bothered if was upfront in the ad - ended up wasting both of our time. So I guess I am in a bad place - trying to sell one boat then buy another - without wasting a lot of time.
 

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Everybody thinks anyone can do an agent's job.
 

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All though years ago I bought and sold a few boats thru brokers - the ones now would not be of any interest to a broker - $10K and under.
 

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I am extremely conscientious about terminating an email conversation that I chose not to continue with an email thanking that email person for their time and explaining I'd rather go a different way or whatever.
Isn't that just common courtesy, or am I expecting too much from people these days?
It's common courtesy, but like common sense, not so common anymore.

It's the internet. It is very impersonal. Some people will tell you they are no longer interested and thank you for your time. Others won't. This is the world that we live in. Accept it as it is, or spend a lot of time being annoyed and frustrated. Personally, I have enough things to be annoyed and frustrated about. I prefer to just forget about inconsiderate people and move on.

Of course, I also have to mention that I've been on the other side of this. Asked some questions of a Craigslist seller. Got answers that made it clear this wouldn't work for me. Sent an e-mail saying thanks, but I'm looking for something a little different. Subsequently bombarded with e-mails trying to sell me on his item. Replied to a couple of them, trying to be polite, but saying that I was not interested. E-mails continued and eventually started to get somewhat insistent, bordering on hostile. So I blocked all e-mails from him. Darned glad I never gave him my phone number or address!

It cuts both ways. Like I said, this is the world we live in.
 

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I was a buyer when I was shopping around I called lots of people, I was looking for a catamaran. I started with the Stilettos and those people were insane they had the boat for sale but either they really didn't wanna show it or they didn't believe I was a real buyer. So the boat I ended up with was in Georgia I talked to this guy by phone and buy Email asking all kinds of questions Then I drove down to get it, I even made sure how he wanted to be paid! It was strange and as soon as you know the boat is yours once you find the correct seller its a great feeling. I am thinking of looking for a Corsair 27, but thinking of all the people I have to go thru again and to be a good boat!
 

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Ghosting is *extremely* common these days, be it in dating, selling things online, job prospects, etc.

I work on contracts, and I can't tell you how many times I've been talking with someone about a contract and they just stop, no explanation. I've read that it's becoming more common amongst potential employees as well - companies are reporting going through the hiring process and then the new hire doesn't show up and stops responding to all communication attempts. I'm not surprised, really, employers have been doing this to potential employees for decades.

I find it highly unprofessional to not even email a "we've decided to go in another direction". Probably less than 5% of the people who turn down a contract with me bother to tell me as much. I have a couple of contacts that I get contracts through who do, and I take their calls on the first ring.

I've also been stood up for interviews. I once had a video interview scheduled the next day. I hastily shuffled my schedule around to fit it in, and they were a no show. I contacted the contracting agent and told him that I was not interested in working with anyone who disrespects my time that badly, and that it reflected badly on his agency for arranging it. The agent apologized and seemed pissed off, if not surprised, himself.
 

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So far have had the usual cashier check fraudsters contact me - but now have a guy telling me he wants to buy boat - has not seen it yet , has not asked questions but wants to meet and make a deal - hmmmmm..... not sure what angle he is working.
 

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So far have had the usual cashier check fraudsters contact me - but now have a guy telling me he wants to buy boat - has not seen it yet , has not asked questions but wants to meet and make a deal - hmmmmm..... not sure what angle he is working.
Craig’s List is getting bad these days with lots of scammers.

Recently I have been getting texts asking me to email directly to their email account instead of anonymously through CL.

I answer their question via text and never hear from them again.

I assume they are trying to capture my email address?
 

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I sell things on CL or FB marketplace fairly regularly. I rarely entertain haggling - advert states price is firm, and I NEVER adjust my schedule, or otherwise inconvenience myself for a buyer. If they want it, they will show up and pay what I'm asking in cash. When you quit playing the games, sincere buyers begin to stand out.
 

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Trying to sell a small, older boat on Craig's List (and Sailboatlistings) now. Four email inquiries: one disappeared after asking to see the boat; two came to see it, and one other guy asked if he can come tomorrow to see it. Of the guys who turned out to be real: both showed up on time. The first guy seemed to like the boat, but later emailed me an equivocal email that I took as "probably not". The second guy spent a lot of time at the boat, asked a lot of really good questions, and seemed enthusiastic. He even asked if I was available this week to re-show it if his partner wanted to see the boat. That was last Saturday and I haven't heard from him since. I haven't given up on him completely, but it's looking a bit grim. Number three just asked a few hours ago if he could see the boat tomorrow. I emailed him back a suggested time, and I'm waiting to see if he vanishes or agrees to meet.

It's interesting to me that all four inquiries came though the Craig's List ad; I haven't had single nibble from Sailboatlistings.

Oh well, even if this guy makes an appointment and never shows, I can hang out on my new boat; the old and new are at the same marina.
 

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Have a guy visiting the second time tomorrow - wanted to go for a sail - nixed that - told him we can put up sails , run engine but that's it - not giving joy rides for a boat that I am asking $3,500 for - pus the guy has not checked about available slips yet - which is the biggest hurdle - finding a boat is easy - finding a good slip at a good price - hard - I have a feeling that he might want to buy boat but can't afford slip.

I have the boat in Sailboatlistings also - no bites - listed a couple of boats before there - maybe one response - seems to be for broker type boats - people looking for deals go to CL - Facebook has Marketplace and a number of pages for sailboat sales - but the listings don't change much - a lot of lookers from all over the country but not many serious buyers.
 
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