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Hi Alex,

cannot help but notice that your beatiful boat has a set of lazy jacks and a stack-pack-like deivice... I am thinking about one, but keep hearing that batens are often catching on the lazy jacks lines, so hoisting main is a hassle in any kind of breeze. What's your experience, and, more importantly, what's your Admiral's experience with the setup?

Thanks in advance,
Stan
 

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It does indeed catch up in the lines, if you let it...but you can get by by having the boat pointing nicely into the wind, and coordinating the pull on the halyard with the time the battens stay in the middle..almost like a coreographed gest...I am so used to it, I never snag.

It's not big of a deal, you get used to it, and to be honest the problem it causes is way offset by the ease it provides..

I do it on my own alone, with no problems whatsoever, I say go for it, really...it's just a little annoyance that you must remember but can learnm to cope with..

Both my wife and my son hoist the main without any problem, one watches, the other one pulls...for my wife, the "other" system is much more complicated..the sail doesn't flake that good, its like plastic as she says, it lies on the boom, and I keep removing it...ehehehe

The lazt bag and cruisng sail is a warm welcome for her

Alex
 

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forgot to tell you..the solution for NO snag, is to have the line that hangs the other lines as high as possible, this way, the lower loops are out of the way of the battens, and the top one is so near the mast, the batten passes thru it easily.
And the lower ones as low as possible.

I see a lot of production boats with the lazy bag lines so badly rigged I find it hard to understand what goes in their minds..
 

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Alex,

Question: Have you got Harken Batt cars or similar installed?

I also have lazy's - it is all about the timing on my boat, when the battens are centered - pull fast.

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Alex,

Question: Have you got Harken Batt cars or similar installed?

I also have lazy's - it is all about the timing on my boat, when the battens are centered - pull fast.

/J
Jorge, no..

All I have is simple teflon slides...I like my main sails as close and tight to the mast as possible, to increase sail efficiency.

My slides are pretty good and fast...the slides you talk about are often seen on cruisers and such.
 

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OK,

makes sense.

I did not realize that the Harkens would reduce sail area that much.

Edited: maybe not sail area- is it the gap between the mast and the sail that matters? Air flow?

To a rookie they seem to be a nice thing on a big main sail.

Sorry for the minor hi-jack.
 

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OK,

makes sense.

I did not realize that the Harkens would reduce sail area that much.

Edited: maybe not sail area- is it the gap between the mast and the sail that matters? Air flow?

To a rookie they seem to be a nice thing on a big main sail.

Sorry for the minor hi-jack.
No problem..Hyjack at will.I think the OP had his question answered...

In a way it does reduce sail area, but it's minimal...you are right..airflow disturbance and weird mast effects on the wind spilling rear of the mast..

I want my sails as close and tight as possible..see..I really do worry about these little things..but you add "little things" here and there, then you can sail at 12 knots...

 

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I'd have to add a lot of little things to sail at 12 knots - such as 15 feet of water line or 1 (maybe 2?) extra hulls;

Thanks for the explanation, I am a wannabe racer and this stuff helps gives me a better understanding.

BTW - do you ever sleep or are you on our side of the water?
 

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Oh Yeah, Chile right?

If so - Try Almaviva by Concha Y Toro, the did a co-op with Baron De Rotschild and created a great Caberenet Sauvignon. Best wine I have had this year. 2001 vintage rocks.

Next week I will be sampling the Portuguese stuff.

Cheers
 

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ALex hoists his 800 sq ft of sail (my guess, from observation) in less than a minute, hand over hand with no real effort using just the teflon slides. If you've seen Alex's pictures you know he's no muscle man. It just takes products like Sail Kote or what ever the Portuguese equivalent is, liberally applied. I hoist 350 sq ft of main while single handing without a problem, it's all in the timing.
I have the same system on my boat, it's not a problem - and I won't own a boat without at least lazy jacks. You can't single hand without them IMHO.
 

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Actually 650Sq ft one 640 the other one, so you were close.

And I am very very muscle macho...I bought a can of sail kote, but I see no difference, really..

Next year I am replacing the actual slides, by a new set that my sailmaker said was invented recentely, and he is talking about that has little wheels inside..I haven't seen them yet, but he guarantees same sail to mast clearance (or less)..once I see them, will let you know

I know a few models like the ones he is talking about, but not all are like the ones I want. Most create a large gap
 

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Next year I am replacing the actual slides, by a new set that my sailmaker said was invented recentely, and he is talking about that has little wheels inside..I haven't seen them yet, but he guarantees same sail to mast clearance (or less)..once I see them, will let you know
Hey Giu, I'd like to see those. Do you have a link or anything to those? The manufacturer's name maybe? Thanks.
 

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Oh Yeah, Chile right?

If so - Try Almaviva by Concha Y Toro, the did a co-op with Baron De Rotschild and created a great Caberenet Sauvignon. Best wine I have had this year. 2001 vintage rocks.

Next week I will be sampling the Portuguese stuff.

Cheers
Thanks..

I've had a bottle of that wine already..I grew quite fond of Chilean wines lately, but, to be honest, they are most French grapes...with either French technology and a few even American technology (believe it or not...:eek: :eek: ).

I like the Casillero del Diablo, Viejo Roble also.

Chilean wine, started with a Spanish origin, in the 1600's and was was almost extinct from 1930 up to mid 1970's, and only in the last 20 years or so have they started again, both for internal market and export..so most wine companies today, even the old ones, are quite new, and haven't matured to what they should be yet..maybe in 50 years...then...off course...

My big issue with their wine is the fact they chose grapes that we see everywhere and are so boring

I am so tired of seeing these everywhere..the old same old same old, boring no change ..I am talking about the Cabernet Sauvignon, the Merlot, Carménère, Chardonnay, Sauvignon Blanc, Sémillon....same over and over and over.....

I am really tired of these casts..to be honest..like eating steak everyday for 35 years...one gets really tired and bored....and to be honest..they have more fame than real...and they haunt me..everywhere I go...ahhh what about a Cabernet??? I DON'T WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you drink it....:eek: :eek: :laugher

However, and being Portuguese, off course..I prefer myself the Portuguese grapes BY THE WAY IF YOU ARE TRYING PORTUGUESE WINE...READ THIS FIRST

Our wines, altough less known, are by far superior, as we have our own grapes, like Roriz, Touriga nacional, Baga, etc...and we have many many many more variety than the French....these as you see have nothing to do with the same BORING french wines....

This to say, they (French) have some good wine...some better than ours, but its BORING!!!

Our wine production is mostly internal comsumption, and unless you actually buy it in Portugal..most stuff you get outside the country is not a real sample..Just ask TDW, or Joel, or Chuckles...when they came here..our supermarket shelves have over 3000 brands of red wines alone..most far superior to any French stuff, and mostly, not BORING...but nowadays..it's "chic" to drink French wine...what can I say..

If you can tell me a few brands you can get a hold of, I'll tell you which to try..

most stuff is good, because Portuguese people are very critical about wine, we have no alchool laws, so drinking at lunch, even at work is allowed..once a Portuguese person, drinks a wine froma cellar that is not a good wine, that cellar will never sell wine to that person...so they make sure only the good stuff is sold internally..the bad we either export, or ends up in coopersatives as mixed wine for cooking and poor drunk bastards..
 

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Stan, we've got ez-jax <http://www.ezjax.com/>, and we've had two problems that we've at least partially solved.

The upper ez-jax lines go through cheek blocks on the mast, and the main halyard sometimes got caught on the forward side of the block and when heading into the wind when raising the main sail, it was sometimes difficult to free. This problem was solved with stainless steel straps bent around the blocks and riveted to the mast.

The other problem was the battens catching when raising the main sail. This has been mitigated with shockcord that we clip to the top ring and the outer shroud on each side, and that holds the ez-jax somewhat to the side. A secondary advantage of this solution is leaving the ez-jax deployed this way when reefed without the need to tie down the foot of the sail via the reef points.

The shockcord I use came from Costco and has carabiner-like clips at each end.
 
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