[Bruce3966]

So studying some threads on here to learn, I was reading a long thread about raising and lowering the jib. The below remarks was made but it doesn't say what will happen...can somebody explain this statement to me?

"Never let halyards or haul lines go slack in the wind! you will be sorry!"

 

[ReefMagnet]

Lines have an amazing habit of entangling themselves on anything in the immediate vicinity if left to flick around in any kind of breeze.

 

[Bill-Rangatira]

halyards can wrap around forestay or mast or spreaders or all three making a tangled mess to unwrap

 

[Capt Len]

Best part is where you let the halyard go and then the bunch of halyard is at the masthead and the sail is halfway down the fore stay on a lee shore and your wife is yelling that engine won't start.

 

[deniseO30]

I say that often. When dropping the main for example, the other end of the halyard, if not kept in hand or under some tension the sail drop can cause the loose end to go up through the mast head sheave and drop in a pile at your feet quicker then most of us can think to grab it. It's an "uh oh" many of us made over the years. On small boats not a problem. bigger boats = time to go aloft! Loose halyards can also wrap and tangle in the rigging or spreaders.

 

[drosymor]

Another reason not to have forestays, standing rigging, and jibs. And to have the halyards run aft to the cockpit. You can still lose the halyard, but it's long enough it won't go thru the masthead sheave.

 

[SHNOOL]

I know the p165 doesnt have stanchions or lifelines, but rigging something up might make it easier to collect the jib on raise and lower.

 

[deniseO30]

Another reason not to have forestays, standing rigging, and jibs. And to have the halyards run aft to the cockpit. You can still lose the halyard, but it's long enough it won't go thru the masthead sheave.

Uh... HUH? the person asking is new, I'm sure doesn't know what you mean!

 

[Bruce3966]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh yup, how can you not have forestays and standing riggings? Is there a magical mast out there that stays vertical by itself?

I am seriously looking forward to an explanation on this!

 

[chuck53]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh yup, how can you not have forestays and standing riggings? Is there a magical mast out there that stays vertical by itself?

I am seriously looking forward to an explanation on this!

Not sure if they are still made, but yes, Freedom Yachts...carbon fiber masts with no standing rigging.
Google it.

 

[Bruce3966]

Just did and that is pretty awesome...I had no idea....I'm a 54 year old noob!

 

[ReefMagnet]

Junk rigs also have little in the way of standing rigging

 

[Bruce3966]

They sure aren't cheap boats and their masts look like they are about 12" thick. The link below is for one in my favorite all time ever harbor in Michigan...Charlevoix. Spent my honeymoon there 24 years ago. "Once in a Blue Moon there is a Charlevoix". Everybody should see it once and everybody should see Four Winns owners home there. It's up for sale for I think 6 million with the most gorgeous attached boat house with several boats in it with a party room on top. Many millionaires there. Can't touch a home on Round Lake or Lake Charlevoix which both have access to lake Michigan for under a million and a half.

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1997/Freedom-Yachts-35-2774932/Charlevoix/MI/United-States

 

[chuck53]

When boat shopping 5 years ago, we looked at a 30 something Freedom, more out of curiosity than anything. Don't recall anything about it other than it being kinda odd looking not having spreaders and standing rigging. For whatever reason, we passed and kept looking.

 

[ReefMagnet]

When boat shopping 5 years ago, we looked at a 30 something Freedom, more out of curiosity than anything. Don't recall anything about it other than it being kinda odd looking not having spreaders and standing rigging. For whatever reason, we passed and kept looking.

The whopping great mast protruding into the cabin space and the cost of repairing / replacing the mast if it gets damaged are pretty good reasons, imo!

 

[drosymor]

Yeah, they are sort of odd looking but only because they are so different from your run of the mill sloops. Freedom also did aluminum masts on their catboats btw. As for running halyards to the cockpit, you will never lose the halyard as long as you remember to tie a stopper knot so it doesn't fly thru the jamcleat. Donna, we were all noobs once and immersion in our vernacular is the quickest way to learn. At least it is for me.

 

[drosymor]

Reef, The mast are not intrusive on mine. The below decks layout is such that the masts are not intrusive. The masts are so heavy and strong that structural failure would probably lead to loss of the whole boat anyway. I have no idea how many of these masts have failed, but how many times does standing rigging fail or need replacement?

 

[paulk]

Another reason to keep tension on halyards all the time is that the masthead's whipping around could make the halyard jump out of the sheave at the top of the mast. Even though you have both ends of the halyard, pulling either jams it or starts cutting the mast and/or halyard. Fixing this is not amusing, especially in the conditions in which it tend to occur.

 

[i_amcdn]

The problem I have is while motoring out from the marina a loose halyard gets wrapped around the mast light @ spreaders. What I do now is attach a bungee to the halyard shackle and run that down to bottom of boom to keep tension on halyard. Just before hoisting I jump up to mast, remove bungee and then jump back into cockpit to start my hoist. A bit tricky if I am by myself between all the jumping and trying to keep the boat into the wind but doable.

 

[deniseO30]

Hunter made em too but as us usual, the op' s search for advice has been ignored