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It's apparent that the fuel tank in our 1982 E32 has a leak. Not going to entertain the how and why- other than it's old, has been on the hard the last couple of years- and at least one of those two years bilge water was left and froze solid. In any event- it's time to take action.

I have read through the Endeavour Owners forums, Practical Sailor articles, etc. and while it's likely to be a fairly major job, I'm not about to let it get me down.

I am expecting that we will have to cut the sole aft of from the bilge hatch to somewhere around the foot of the companionway area in order to access the tank.

If anyone had done this in their E32- and especially if you have pictures, or aware of any existing E32 specific fuel tank replacement stories, blog postings, etc- would be great as well...

I will do my best to post our progress and pics along the way...

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Wow, that is going to be one sucky job to do.
I have seen the fuel tank on my friends E 32' so I know what miserable access you will have without dismantling part of the cabin sole.
You might check Roger Long's blog about his E32 "Strider"; he did quite a bit of a re-fit on his boat but I'm not sure if he re-did the fuel tank.
Endeavour 32

The design called for the fuel tank to sit in the lowest of the bilges just forward of the engine. This might make sense from a weight perspective but does not make that much sense considering that the fuel tank is made of metal (perhaps Monel?) and is likely to often be wet. I'll assume that your E32 is also the shoal draft version?
I wonder if it would make sense to place your new tank(s) a bit more forward where the bilge is much shallower, under the cabin sole. If you did this you could then add some lead weights to the now (hopefully) empty deep bilge to compensate for the weight of the fuel tank moving about 2' closer to the water line. You could contact Roger Long (he is a retired Naval Architect after all) and ask him what he thinks about this idea (or I could contact him for you, if you like).

This could be a chance to also re-do your cabin sole if it is starting to look "tired". I really like the cabin on my friend's 1982 E 32, but I dislike the plastic Beckson ports. His 30+ year old ports need replacing badly.

The original spec says the stock fuel tank held 20 gallons of fuel. Without doing the math I'd guess that the weight of the fuel would equal about 150 lbs of ballast being moved higher.
ENDEAVOUR 32 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com
 

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Thanks Caleb - you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. I will take a double-check on all of Roger's various Strider pages and postings- but I do not recall him replacing the tank.

I have the shoal draft version (the only version made in 82 and I believe in 81 also). There is not that much more space forward to move it- perhaps only 6-8", which would still require cutting the cabin floor aft. Previous versions of the boat actually had the tank sitting much higher, aft of the engine below the cockpit- While better from a maintenance/access perspective- not sure of the wisdom of that from a balance perspective and think that may be why they changed the design...

Ditto on those old Beckson's....

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Andy - The previous owner of my boat replaced the fuel tank and had to cut through the cabin sole.....it does not look like it was that difficult of a job. I'll send you some pics this weekend when I get to the boat.
 

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That'd be great Andy - thank you sir!

I also got some feedback from Roger Long on the Endeavour Owners FB page- thinking the aft locker may be an option too- will depend on the extent of sawing/cutting/ripping required....
 

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In my somewhat extended rant (previous post) I forgot to mention the dreaded blisters.

My friend had kept his E32 in the water over several winters in the Chessy. About a year ago they became aware that the hull (below the water line) had developed blisters.
I thought that over wintering in the water might have been a partial cause but I'm told that there were problems with the layup on some of the Endeavors around this time. I also hear that there was a class action suit against the company.
I guess the good news is that if your E 32' has not yet developed this problem after all this time, well, that is good news.

Yes, there is some room below the cockpit for mounting a fuel tank or two. Having the tanks located here would make accessing the stuffing box, transmission and HX (if you have one) more difficult though. I'm just not sure about the ramifications of moving that weight farther aft rather than forward and over the top of the keel. I suppose an easy answer is to keep your water tanks full as they are up near the V-berth, IIRC.
 

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My tank sets under the cockpit and I find it out of the way and convenent.
 

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Andy - my apologies - I forgot to take the camera with me when I went to the boat this weekend, but I had these that I took wth my cell phone a while back when I cleaned the tank, replaced my fuel lines and moved the fuel filter from behind the engine to where the trash can had been.

Basically it looks like the PO cut along the lines of the existing aft hatch opening to the bilge all the way into the engine compartment, and then added some hardwood cleats on either side to support the piece that was cut out. I think he must have popped the teak parquet up in the area that was cut out before making the cut because with the piece in place you can't tell there is a seam between the two sections of flooring.

I hope this helps.



 

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Interesting- and this helps a lot- Thanks-

I was thinking it would be nice to leave a hatch there, but was surprised the PO did not put the stringers back in. There are two- One is just aft of the original hatch, and there is another just forward of the engine (I can't tell but it may be there under where the battery sits in your pic).

In any case- do you hear any flexing or unusual creaking when you're sailing?

I was at the boatyard today- Got to get the boat down to them for proper estimate, but it's looking like somewhere around $2500+ to do, and that's with me doing some of the work to save on labor.... B o a t.....
 

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Andy,
I think that is a very sensible set up you have with your fuel tank, engine compartment & battery on an E 32.
I much prefer the idea of the tank being under the cabin sole rather than under the cockpit where it would impede accessing the steering gear, stuffing box, heat exchanger etc.
How many gallons of diesel does your tank hold?
 

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Andy - with the floor section screwed back in place it's pretty rigid....maybe not as rigid as with the original stringer but I have not noticed any flexing. I have heard that on some of the earlier E32's the tanks were installed under the port side lazarrette, but they were only 10 or 12 gal tanks, if I recall correctly.

Caleb - the tank holds 22 gallons. That's the starting battery in the picture. The house bank is in the engine compartment behind the quarter berth engine access door.
 

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Agree that the layout is sensible. I do like the fact that its removable too. Got a quote from the marina the other day......ouch.... but going to proceed with putting a poly tank in the bilge....

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I'm constantly telling people how much room I have in the engine compartmentand having the tank located under the cockpit sole doesn't put it in the way of any of the systems, but it is glassed in and would take cutting,grinding to remove it.

I think my tank is 20 gallons?? But its possible its not and if thats the case then we have used far less fuel then I thought traveling the coast.

this thread has me thinking about moving the tank to the bildge but then I'm not sure what I would do with all the room. I already call it my man cave.
 

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Thanks Mario - i am tempted to just put a tank in the laz and be done with it - those amazon pics whizzing by make it very tempting (cost wise too)....
 

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Mario - if you have any pics of your fuel tank placement that you could share would be great. I'm considering mounting one of those moellers in the lazarette- even if only for a temporary solution, or as a permanent secondary tank. For the cost of $240 + labor- I think it may be worth it, and I like the thought of that versus just using a bladder to sail around this summer- pending spending big bucks for the big fix in the fall.... I can always replace the fuel tank in the bilge- and I can always remove the secondary tank from the laz (BTW- those moeller straps... are they to be attached to stringers that one might glass/epoxy to the hull?)- I am such a newb at this! Arrggh!
 

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I also have the fuel tank located aft of the engine on the port side. I find that with a full tank of fuel I get a port side list. It's even worse when I have been too lazy to empty the holding tank until last minute.

I have moved my house batteries to the space under the sole. I imagine I still have enough room down there to put a flexible fuel tank forward of the batteries. It would be nice to get that 200 lb lower and more forward.
 

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Well the good news is we've finally gotten our E32 closer to home so we can spend time working on her.

Here's our general plan for replacing the tank. The first picture is a bit skewed but you get the idea. We're having a marina do much of the install- We'll mostly be dealing with putting the sole back in after the repair, bilge cleaning/painting, etc- We're only losing 3 gallons of capacity- which for the price ($150 on Amazon...) is pretty decent.

E32 Tank Replacement Plan

Actually getting her in the water and sailing her before July would be nice....
 

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Hi Everyone-

Our original plan hit a bit of a snag. It turns out the keel/bilge area was not as wide on the bottom of the aft section as I thought (this was not apparent until the sole was cut and the old tank removed). The poly tank we intended to use will not fit in the space available.

I have located a nice 20gl tank that will fit in the space- and it's now part of our Plan B. I am hoping to get some feedback on this from the wise Sailnet community.

While the tank will fit in the space- it is not designed to fit "in" the space. Mounting, weight distribution, etc- are somewhat of a concern- although I think in the bigger scheme of things perhaps not a major concern as long as it's mounted "correctly". (We would be having the local marina do this).

We would like to get the boat in the water sooner rather than later- and I can get the replacement tank installed probably within a week- versus more like 5-7 weeks to wait for and have the fabricated tank installed... Having said that, we do want to do it right... just don't know if our "Plan B" is wrong...

Please take a look and let me know what you think. Plan B, or Plan C?

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Hey Andy - what a dilemma.......I know the feeling of wanting to go sailing now! vs. waiting for parts, and it bites! It is hard to imagine there being a big difference in how stable the Plan B tank would be once it was installed, and if there is only a 2 gallon difference in the capacity of the tank, why not opt for the more immediate solution? Even if you end up carrying a 2 gal jerry can "just in case" I doubt you'll ever notice the difference in tank capacity.

Just my two cents.

Awesome job with the illustrations, too.

Let us know which way you decide to go.
 

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I heard from a few folks with great suggestions including Roger Long- his fuel tank and polishing system on Strider is simply amazing-

We have decided to go with the original mfg- Florida Marine Tanks- It will mean waiting until end of July for the tank; but it will be the right tank for the boat...which in the end will be best for our peace of mind, resale, etc.

It sure does bite delaying our getting her on the water, but at least we're getting out sailing on friends' boats-

...Now there are those ports, hatches, chain plates and stanchions that need re-bedding, interior trim tweaks, locker painting, cabin lighting, various nick and scratch repair, painting the bilge & engine bay; mast paint and re-wire.....and, and, and.... :)
 
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