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I know this is difficult to say, but the topic actually exists here:
https://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-reviews/

It is a whole forum dedicated to folks reviewing their boats. Hell I posted several pages worth of modifications to my last boat there, and my last, last boat there.

That's not to say that the forum doesn't need new life and all, or a "summary" thread. But there are topics for forums other than "General Discussion (sailing related" on this board.
thanks... this thread places reviews in the same thread... Some of the threads don't really have complete reviews.
 

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Bristol 29.9

likes:
  • Skeg hung rudder - supports and protects the rudder.
  • Prop in aperture - protects the prop and offers some resistance to snagging crap pots, etc.
  • easy access to chain plates for inspection and replacement.
  • good engine access especially considering her size
  • Beautiful - I love her classic lines beautiful warm interior
  • Solid, quiet - The interior is all hand built mahogany, tabbed to the hull. it's all well made, lovey and sturdy. It's hard to explain the comfort I gets when coming off watch, going down below to a quiet restful place. I've been on so many boats that creak squeak and grind in a seaway making it hard to get rest.
  • Lead encapsulated keel - I prefer this to a bolt on keel
  • large chart table
  • well balanced under sail, tracks well and has a light touch on the wheel.
  • bulkhead mounted table with leaf. In the smaller configuration it does not block access to any part of the boat. However if the leaf is opened it will block access to the head and v berth
  • fast - for an old, fat, heavy boat. We have won our share of PHRF races.
  • Storage - well thought out and quite a lot for a small boat.
Dislikes:
  • Poor side deck drainage - Water flowing down the side decks will not drain overboard fast enough and overflows onto the cockpit seats! It soaks your ass and feet. Not so bad in the summer, but damned annoying in the cool weather.
  • Anchor locker is shallow. you need to be deliberate when stowing rode so that it does not bunch up.
  • Butcher-block Formica in the galley and chart table. It's "so 70's"
  • Chart table has no fiddles (I'll address that this summer)
  • Chart table uses the quarter berth for a seat. I dislike this layout very much. It makes access to the quarter berth awkward either as a berth or as storage. And makes sitting at the chart table uncomfortable.
  • The head is a tight squeeze - it's narrow and tucked up against the mast.
  • not fast - to old, fat and heavy. We have not won enough PHRF races!
  • Storage - I guess there is really never enough storage :)
This about nails it. :svoilier:

I'll have to evaluate it carefully this spring, but I think if the cockpit carlins are removed and bedded with butyl tape, that will prevent water ingress to the cockpit. Also, there is a chain locker forward of and below the v-birth that requires installation of a hawse pipe on deck to utilize it, a must for all chain rode.

Another positive IMO is the very large and deep starboard cockpit locker. The inner wall is removable allowing really good engine access. Maintenance work is a snap.
 

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I'll do a boat review of the C&C 32 probably later this year. Gotta get a new mainsail, fix the baby stay adjustment, fix a couple hatches and get some more miles sailing in all kinds of weather.
 

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Outbounds have evolved since their inception. Each one is different. When some one comes up with a real improvement it’s incorporated into the stock base boat. So a review is only applicable to a given boat beyond the hull, appendages and deck. Will try to focus mainly on that.
Thinks I like.
It’s manners is a seaway. Carl got it right. She has a lovely ride even in the snot. Helm remains light, no pounding of note close hauled, and surfs under control. Cockpit is fairly dry even with boarding seas.
She’s forgiving of mild to moderate mistakes in trim with little fall in vmg and even being over canvassed.
The details are thought out to make a strong durable passagemaker. Bob Perry has pointed out on this site in the past that a properly designed balanced spade rudder is as strong if not stronger then skeg hung. The outbound rudder post is massive. Internal support is higher then the waterline and there are multiple bearings. All to often the rudder is holding the skeg on not the other way around as the narrow junction of the skeg to the canoe body is hard to engineer correctly. The Outbound gives you a sense of security. Also like the massive ss rod steering linkage. Bulletproof and once set up no maintenance as there’s no cables, blocks, bike chain etc.
Although some don’t like internal ballast I don’t like failure of the bolts or supports or canoe body resulting in keels falling off. The massive structure of the internally ballasted ( with pb not fe) bulbed fin keel is in my judgment the best compromise for a long distance cruiser. Hear of sister ships having hard and soft groundings without structural damages.
There are multiple ingenious solutions to common problems. All wiring is labeled. Seachest to eliminate unnecessary thru hulls. All lifting segments of sole secured. All components first rate.
We opted for a two head version, slab reefing brought back, Dutchman, an extra removable dyneema stay for the storm jib, reenforancements for the jsd, spectr watermaker, northern ligh genset, AC, Webasto. Think those things and the lay out makes for the ideal mom and pop liveaboard. I’ve been on bigger and smaller boats and of all of them this one has been the easiest to live on.
There’s only three steps down the companionway. Seems like a small thing but when’s it rocky like that and having bulkheads on both sides of me.
I opted for standard 6 1/2’ draft. Shoal is 5 1/2’. Think there’s places where centerboarders or cats can get into and I can’t. But don’t think that foot makes that much of a difference as to the number of places I’m restricted from. Do think an additional foot or two matters much more. So happy with the draft.
Given nature of the design boat has an amazing carrying capacity without effecting performance to a noticeable degree.
Previously have had several full keel boats. This boat tracks better and I can back up under control.
 

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"Seachest to eliminate unnecessary thru hulls."

Whatsa seachest?
Sea chest. One or two main thru-hulls flood an internal chest (think of it like a manifold), which then branches off to all the systems that require sea water.
 

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Sea chest. One or two main thru-hulls flood an internal chest (think of it like a manifold), which then branches off to all the systems that require sea water.
Why not use Ys and have two valves on one seacock? or more Ys and more valves as needed?
 

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Why not use Ys and have two valves on one seacock? or more Ys and more valves as needed?
Similar concept. However, this can be a single hull penetration for many more raw water needs.

The downside to a sea chest is typically more hose running around the boat, which can fail. If it does, you'll need valves coming out of the sea chest, or you have to shut off everything feeding on that seachest. I've seen sea chests that are permanently exposed to the sea and only have valves coming out of it. I've also seen a major thru hull feeding a sea chest, with many outlets. I like the former.

My boat has a dozen penetrations below the waterline. Two dozen, if you include those at the waterline. Ugh.
 

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One you penetrate hull with a large seacock... you can "branch off" with plumbing to as many items which need raw water. I would not use this for head effluent probably.
 

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Bob Perry has pointed out on this site in the past that a properly designed balanced spade rudder is as strong if not stronger then skeg hung. The outbound rudder post is massive. Internal support is higher then the waterline and there are multiple bearings. All to often the rudder is holding the skeg on not the other way around as the narrow junction of the skeg to the canoe body is hard to engineer correctly.
Is it a spade rudder, or a skeg-hung rudder, or a spade rudder with a sacrificial free skeg in front of it? I wasn't clear on this.

an extra removable dyneema stay for the storm jib
Is the storm jib hanked on? If so, does that work well with dyneema without chafing it, or are there special hanks for dyneema? Can you keep the dyneema stay tight enough for windward work?

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One you penetrate hull with a large seacock... you can "branch off" with plumbing to as many items which need raw water. I would not use this for head effluent probably.
It is a matter of volume and competing flow. A seachest provides a ballast tank of water so that none of the outlets are competing with each other for flow. A branched seacock could have one outlet drawing from the other under certain conditions. Otherwise, it is just like a seachest without the ballast tank.

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.... I would not use this for head effluent probably.
Effluent should route to a holding tank. Going the opposite direction of a seachest.

On this point, when practical, I much prefer a single large holding tank. Our 3 heads all feed to a 77 gallon tank. The downside is all the expensive hose.
 

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Reading comprehension.”balanced spade rudder”.
Dyneema is sheeved. No friction. Hanks are uncoated dyneema as well. Stay tensioned with device that looks like a rigging screw but has two handles that flip out. One prevents stay from turning. The other tightens screw. They both fold in to prevent it from loosening. Tight as a drum. No sag. Several companies make variations of this device. Had a J hook to do the same thing on a prior boat. Not nearly as effective. On this boat loosen backstay. Set up storm stay. Then a pump or two on the backstay. Go back to stay and another twist or two. Now have a flat mainsail as well. Clever. Seen this set up on masthead and fractional sloops as well as other solents.
 

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Effluent should route to a holding tank. Going the opposite direction of a seachest.

On this point, when practical, I much prefer a single large holding tank. Our 3 heads all feed to a 77 gallon tank. The downside is all the expensive hose.
You can discharge overboard offshore.
 

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Ok, saw the balanced spade rudder bit, but was confused why you discussed the rudder holding the skeg on. Maybe reading comprehension mixed with writing clarity?

Interesting on the dyneema stay. We have a screecher with an internal 5/8" torsion rope consisting of parallel vectran fibers. Even when this is brought as tight as can be with a winch, until the fixed headstay slacks a bit, it still has enough sag upwind to really prevent it from being effective on a beat. However, this is a huge 200% sail running to the masthead, and probably different with a small storm jib fractionally attached.

A storm jib setup like yours makes so much more sense than a fixed, or even removable, wire one.

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You can discharge overboard offshore.
I'm trying to piece together your point. You said you wouldn't use a sea chest for effluent. I presume that means a separate consolidated thru-hull for numerous heads, as one clearly wouldn't direct it back to the raw water sea chest.

Effectively, an effluent sea chest is exactly what our holding tank is. A chest that stores all the effluent in one place, until it is either pumped out the deck fitting or dumped overboard though only a single thru hull (as opposed to each head having it's own waste thru-hull).
 

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I'm trying to piece together your point. You said you wouldn't use a sea chest for effluent. I presume that means a separate consolidated thru-hull for numerous heads, as one clearly wouldn't direct it back to the raw water sea chest.

Effectively, an effluent sea chest is exactly what our holding tank is. A chest that stores all the effluent in one place, until it is either pumped out the deck fitting or dumped overboard though only a single thru hull (as opposed to each head having it's own waste thru-hull).
If you have more than one head.
 

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Uh... I'm unclear about where to post a review of my own boat.

Is it here... or is it in Boat Builders Row?

Thanks for any clarification.
 
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