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I think the key is to know the risks and know your own risk tolerance, then you can enjoy those spots that meet your own criteria. Chacun a sa preference!
 

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Another thing to remember, is just like with storms, the risks of crime are not going to be the same for everyone.

Years ago the FBI did an extensive study where they interviewed hundreds of inmates who were in prison for killing law enforcement officers. What they wanted to find out was why, after encountering law enforcement in hundreds of incidents, and most having been arrested in several incidents, all without attempting to kill a police officer, they had finally made the decision to do so.

The universal answer, from almost all of the inmates, was simply, "Because this time, the officer did something, or had something in his demeanor, to make me think I could get away with it."

And, they also did interviews with colleagues of slain officers, to try and develop a psychological profile of the average slain officers. They were expecting to learn that "Officer A**hole" was the one most likely to be killed. They instead, were surprised to find that "Officer Friendly" was actually the most likely officer to be killed (something I likewise found to be true among the officers and agents I have known who have been murdered).

Most criminals aren't looking for a fair fight. It's not ego. It's their business, even with serial killers. They are looking for a 100 to nothing win. If they don't think they can get that, they will keep looking until they find that.

Remember the scene in "In Cold Blood" (I think if memory serves correctly, it may be a different movie) where the two killers decide to hitchhike, and kill and rob the first people who stop to give them a lift. Two Marines stop and ask if they want a lift and the killers say, no thanks, and then after they drive off, one of them says to the other, "They might have decided to kill us and take our money."

Just something to think about.
 
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I live in one of the countries mentioned as one of the most dangerous....having said that being on the run every day here is a part of life, especially in some areas...that doesnt mean however one second that if someone is determined to want to rob you, or kill you that he wont be able to...no mattter what you think you have to avoid it...be that a gun, and armored vehicle, or a bullet proof vest

you are kind of kidding yourself if you think you can avoid that

having said that rebarding a BOAT and cruising

of course there are plenty of things to make the boat less breakable and harder to get into...stronger safer...but as a cruiser what are you going to go to sleep in an anchorage with a vest on? or fully equipped to go into battle?

I think not

just be vigilant, prduent and most places will be fine...if not just pull the anchor and sail into the sunset to the next place
 

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I live in one of the countries mentioned as one of the most dangerous....having said that being on the run every day here is a part of life, especially in some areas...that doesnt mean however one second that if someone is determined to want to rob you, or kill you that he wont be able to...no mattter what you think you have to avoid it...be that a gun, and armored vehicle, or a bullet proof vest

you are kind of kidding yourself if you think you can avoid that

having said that rebarding a BOAT and cruising

of course there are plenty of things to make the boat less breakable and harder to get into...stronger safer...but as a cruiser what are you going to go to sleep in an anchorage with a vest on? or fully equipped to go into battle?

I think not

just be vigilant, prduent and most places will be fine...if not just pull the anchor and sail into the sunset to the next place
If a lone nut like John Hinckley can walk up and shoot the President of the United States, with a full Secret Service security detail whose only job was to keep that from happening, you pretty much know it can happen to you.
 

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yuppers...when its your time its your time...
 

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just thought Id post this for the sake of emphasizing why looking at stats means little for cruising purposes

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How Chicago Became ?Chiraq?

so does that mean that chicago should be avoided as a sailing destination or that doing a mackinac race is dangerous for murder rate reasons?

6 children shot and 45 people in total over the easter weekend

thats WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than here...yet it would be hard to put these numbers into useful info

or on a list to avoid right?
 

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You couldn't pay me to go to Chicago, and most other major cities in the U.S.. Would I feel safer in El Salvador or Panama, no, but I felt pretty safe in Marathon, Florida. Still, I'm prepared for the worst situation no matter where I go - and so far, this has managed to keep me alive for 73 years. I stay away from places where crime is a popular mode of making an income, especially places such as Baltimore, Philadelphia and Chicago. Christian, would you sail to Watts and feel as safe as you feel in El Salvador? Probably not unless you were packing a 44 mag in a pancake holster. There is a difference, ya know!

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do you understand my point though? the POINT is that for cruisers and those wanting to cruise around the world looking for stats on murder rates and whatnot is the WRONG TOOL FOR THE JOB

I dont know how to explain myself any better...

the cruising community and the places caterng to them or not are a very specific niche of people and places...almost as an an extension of the country or places you visit...

why on earth would I be interested in seing what then ZETAS are doing in sinaloa, mexico or the cartels are doing when what I really want to know or care about is how the bar is doing in mazatlan or whats ztwon like today

or is huatulco still a good place to stop before jumping the bay

or for the red sea should I be looking at whats still going on in irak and syria and all those places

or say whats oman doing like?(quite oblivious to the rest of those places)

cruising is a bit like studying and preparing for a thesis on the world...you study up and plan accordingly but are on the move and have a backup plan if things go south

like many here we had a bunch of decisions to make when leaving thailland for the indian ocean...do we stop in india or just sri lanka, or in the pacific do you go soth to nz and australia or go north?

if people would look up stats all the time nobody would move!

jajajajaja

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Gotta agree with that, Christan, the stats would be something akin to useless in most instances. Not even a good guideline.

Cheers,

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OTOH Chicago is one of the places we LIKE to go to at work. Great restaurants and museums to make the off-work hours more enjoyable. The parts of Chicago we go to and stay in and the parts a *sailor* would be going to are in another universe from the parts where they kill 10 people per day.
 

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You can't just look at the crime rate for a state, county, or city. You have to look at particular locales and what the crime rate is on a particular block or street.

This was the basis of one of the most successful policing techniques, "cops on dots", that was used to reduce crime in New York, New Orleans, Washington, D.C. and Miami.

The phrase comes from the large city maps you see in every police headquarters conference room, with dots of different colors to denote different crimes. The theory was, you concentrate your officers on where the crime was occurring. It doesn't make sense to evenly dispurse your police forces between four precincts, for example, when one precinct is responsible for 90 per cent of your crime.

Cruisers can use this too. It comes down to, there are always going to be high crime areas, and low crime areas, even within a very small city or town, pretty much where ever you go (I traveled to and worked with police officers in Switzerland, a very law abiding country, and all of the officers told me there were places in Switzerland, that you could go at night, and get in trouble very quickly; they even showed me some of them).

If you stay out of those areas, in whatever place you are cruising, visiting, or living, you are much, much less likely to be a crime statistic.
 

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exactly! even in the best cities, towns or countries there will be always a bad place or bad person or groups of persons...thats why general stats are of no help

so when I see people saying ahh the murder rate in mexico is what makes me not want to go there is to me, NONSENSICAL

as a cruiser that is
 
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Boroko, do you know where these events occurred in Brazil? I've never heard of a case involving sailboats anywhere on the coast south of Rio and only a few cases that occurred in Bahia. The Amazon on the other hand ....
Sure. One was in Natal. Reported by the French boat 'See You Later Alligator'. I hope to see a crew member from the other boat tommorrow. If I do I will report back.

Yes, I have heard the southern Brazilian coast is much safer... bur one needs to transit the risky north coast to get there from the Caribbean.
Hmmm, speaking of Brazil...

What a surprise, Fortaleza lies within a few degrees of the Equator... :)

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Yeah - even Annapolis has a few bad areas. Wander up to Clay Street or into the projects* after dark and you might end up missing cash and cell phone. Well at least a nice smartphone, I am pretty sure the homies would throw a flip phone right back to you :rolleyes:

* projects aren't so bad as before. For many years the Annapolis po-po thought the federal government should patrol the hood since they built it and the fed though Annapolis should patrol it since it was in the city limits. When the criminals started getting out of the projects into high $$$ areas that all changed right quick, we got a new chief of police, and crime went down.

Belize is often considered dangerous, but most of the time I was there the main danger was if you got stuck or injured you might starve before seeing another person, not that you would get attacked. We actually ended up rescuing some peopel stuck on a jungle road with a broken down truck. OTOH Belize City wasn't someplace to wander around looking like a wide-eyed tourist.The guidebok actually suggested using a cab to get from one end of the block to the next :eek:

exactly! even in the best cities, towns or countries there will be always a bad place or bad person or groups of persons...thats why general stats are of no help

so when I see people saying ahh the murder rate in mexico is what makes me not want to go there is to me, NONSENSICAL

as a cruiser that is
 

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Hmmm, speaking of Brazil...

What a surprise, Fortaleza lies within a few degrees of the Equator... :)

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Jon, this is unfortunate news indeed. Cruisers are advised not to anchor out in Fortaleza, but to stay in a marina. There are a few other "hot spots" in the northeast of Brazil as well and the Amazon is not without risk. A little information gathering ahead of time is essential for cruisers arriving in Brazil. That said, the southeast and south of Brazil are perfectly safe for cruisers. I have never locked my boat and have never heard of an attack on sailing boats (there have been a few robberies involving expensive power boats however).
 
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