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Sail Mag just came out with their annual BOTY awards. Excerpt of press release:

Flagship (>50’): Outbound 52, a center cockpit cruiser with well-conceived construction details
Cruising Multihull: Moxie 37, a South African designed and built catamaran that combines high- performance fun and leisure-mode cruising in a single well-conceived package
Performance: Santa Cruz 37, almost all-carbon, this boat displays excellent sailing performance
Small Boat: Bug by LaserPerformance, a bright new alternative in the sail trainer category for kids
Accommodations: Hunter 50, incorporating every shoreside amenity a sailor could wish for
Systems: Tartan 5300 with its dedicated attention to “systems room,” making all core connections, circuitry, batteries and equipment readily accessible to the user.
Deck/Cockpit: Outbound 52 for its deep, narrow, and secure cockpit design
• Cruising Monohull (<50’): There was no clear single winner in this category

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Of course...a lot of this is advertiser oriented and directed...but is still good to read about neat new boats. I like the Outbound a lot from what I've seen bt it won't be in my budget anytime soon!
 

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I got that rag 2 days ago?!?!?! anyway, personally like the SC37, but at over 400K by the time it is setup, beyond my budget. The A35 also in that catagory would fit budget sooner or the Jeanneau SF3200 not mentioned in the article, or the Dehler34 or X34 for the style/size of boat I like and want. The outbound really does not do much for me.......

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No Catalina's as there were NO. NONE, NADA new introductions of new boats to the Catalina fleet!

IIRC last year one got a BOTY award from someone, as did the year or two before, of course going off of memory here.
 

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Sail Mag just came out with their annual BOTY awards. Excerpt of press release:

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Deck/Cockpit: Outbound 52 for its deep, narrow, and secure cockpit design
That one surprises me.

I commented in the Annapolis Boatshow thread last month that I found the OB52 cockpit poorly conceived. What I particularly disliked about it was that there is a large step down in the cockpit sole, just before entering the companionway. Almost like a reverse bridgedeck. So if you are sitting all the way forward on the cockpit seats, you have a huge - dangerous - step down to the cockpit sole.

On the plus side, they do have extra cockpit drains in that recessed portion.

I also did not like the fact that the boat is built in China, but sells with a full figured price tag. One builder at the show actually admitted to me that they only have to pay their Chinese workers $1.50/day, plus a bowl of rice.:(
 

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The Catalinas are exactly where they're supposed to be... not on the list. :)

WHERE ARE THE FREAKING CATALINAS!!!!! Obviously they do not know how to judge boats. Hmph.

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Sail Mag just came out with their annual BOTY awards.
Systems: Tartan 5300 with its dedicated attention to “systems room,” making all core connections, circuitry, batteries and equipment readily accessible to the user.


Zinio | SAIL | Digital Magazines

Of course...a lot of this is advertiser oriented and directed...but is still good to read about neat new boats. I like the Outbound a lot from what I've seen bt it won't be in my budget anytime soon!
One can not help but wonder if Sail magazine got their ad money from Tartan up front and in cash!!
 

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Catalina you've got to be kidding me! checked them out at the shows and scared the crap out of me! don't like a sole to rise and fall as i walk on it. also being a chemical hauler i don't like the fact that as you go down the companionway stairs you get hit with styrene odors, and what ever-else is used to glue down the carpet, vinyl, etc you know what i mean
as for the Ob52 i would hope there is supposed to be a great over that hole ((canyon) probably there to get the residuals out(water)(right?))
 

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really ? best production boats Catalinas ? huh?

Didn't exactly mention the Telstar either!!!

Catalina: Still the best production boat built. Period.

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in your bias dreams maybe .. slap some marine plywood around and build a boat in the swamp in Florida don't make this dinosaurs a Best production boat is it? Catalina is past and lived out his life expectancy by large ..
"period" did you looked your hull to deck joint lately ?
your 36 MK-II was decent boat and you stop build them ...how stupid is that ? but look at that "gorgeous" 44 Morgan look like a RV and sail like that to .. best boats? you are funny !

(I know you know better .) ..of course , but I could not let that go by..Period..
 

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in your bias dreams maybe .. slap some marine plywood around and build a boat in the swamp in Florida don't make this dinosaurs a Best production boat is it? Catalina is past and lived out his life expectancy by large ..
"period" did you looked your hull to deck joint lately ?
your 36 MK-II was decent boat and you stop build them ...how stupid is that ? but look at that "gorgeous" 44 Morgan look like a RV and sail like that to .. best boats? you are funny !

(I know you know better .) ..of course , but I could not let that go by..Period..
Agreed - to a point. I loved the 36. I cannot understand why they would kill it. And then came out with the 350???

As for the Morgan 440 - you can see I own one, don't you?

I have a real affinity for the older Catalinas. Some of the models still have not changed. I said this in another thread not long back. But the 400 and the 42 are still really built well (and the same). They have taken some of the others and really scimped down on the cabinetry and tried to save too many bucks to stay competitive with the other production builders. I would rather they just made themselves a bit more expensive and focused on their products. A good case in point is the 387 versus sthe 380. The 380 was a MUCH better boat (in my opinion, of course). I lived on and cruised on one with the fam. Very solid and a good liveabaord.

But Bene and Hunter have done EXACTLY the same thing - and worse in my opinion. THe hardware and cabinety of the new benes is poor. As for the Hunters? TOo new to tell for sure.

THe only models that I am aware of that Catalina has not really changed are the 400s, 42, 32, and 470. I am not blown away by ANY of the others.

- CD

Our old 380:



Our 400:

 

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as for the Ob52 i would hope there is supposed to be a great over that hole ((canyon) probably there to get the residuals out(water)(right?))
No. No grate over the stepped-down cockpit sole. It is essentially the first step down the companionway, but it is in the cockpit rather than in the cabin. Very peculiar.
 

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P.S. You can see what I mean about the cockpit on this video. They go up to the cockpit at around 4:45:

Videos - Cruising World magazine
Wow! That looks really dangerous. If I had a pit like that, the first thing I would do would be to build a grate over it, otherwise there will be a lot of injuries from falls.
 

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Catalina best production boat "period"

Hunter and Beneteau far exceed Catalina as a production boat , if you ignore the snobs Hunter is great cruising boat for the money and that Glenn Henderson hulls are really well performing and the technology is 2008 not 1977 like Catalina standing still
Beneteau "simplificated" Nauta interior is matter of taste but the building technology and performance is far superior to any Catalina now and ever will be .. Catalina like F Butler ...old and stubborn, take a look they can't give them away ... (new one's ) ..
that 440 is a morphodite ... so don't be offended by the fact they are no one's list ..
just please don't write "best production boat ..period ..for a simple reason ..no one will believe you .. not even Ray Charles would !
 

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Wow! That looks really dangerous. If I had a pit like that, the first thing I would do would be to build a grate over it, otherwise there will be a lot of injuries from falls.
You said it!! I nearly fell in that "pit" at the boat show. I think it would take a long time to acclimate to this feature. Owners might eventually get used to it, but not likely guests.
 

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Ahhh

Boat ratings by Sail magazine....that magazine is not even good to wipe the hindend (the paper scratches the sphincter)....Sail is to Sailboats what Kentucky Fried Chicken is to chickens...

they can't even sail...they seat at their laptops and read what we writte here, then go back and publish 2 months later...

They rate boats by who pays more ad pages...
 

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Well Giu...I alluded to that in my opening post. Still...it is interesting to read about each boat...the little "Bug" is a pretty neat idea for kids eh? It was interesting to me that NO boat under 50ft. was picked this year. If it was ONLY to reward advertisers...I would think we would not see that...never happened before. Maybe they didn't want to tick off all their big production boat advertisers by picking just one!
I guess Cruising World will be out with their picks soon as well.
Anyway...I agree that one should never take these picks too seriously...but it is a good series as it does introduce us to the innovations in the marketplace each year.
 

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Cam, in europe we have a boat that I believe may have served as inspration to that, it's called the BIC. And it is a little more "racy"

see it here..

Fred sailed one for 2 days last summer, said it didn't sail that great.

I think that BUG may be better suited for learning kids..the Bic is harder for them
 

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Agreed - to a point. I loved the 36. I cannot understand why they would kill it. And then came out with the 350???

As for the Morgan 440 - you can see I own one, don't you?

I have a real affinity for the older Catalinas. Some of the models still have not changed. I said this in another thread not long back. But the 400 and the 42 are still really built well (and the same). They have taken some of the others and really scimped down on the cabinetry and tried to save too many bucks to stay competitive with the other production builders. I would rather they just made themselves a bit more expensive and focused on their products. A good case in point is the 387 versus sthe 380. The 380 was a MUCH better boat (in my opinion, of course). I lived on and cruised on one with the fam. Very solid and a good liveabaord.

But Bene and Hunter have done EXACTLY the same thing - and worse in my opinion. THe hardware and cabinety of the new benes is poor. As for the Hunters? TOo new to tell for sure.

THe only models that I am aware of that Catalina has not really changed are the 400s, 42, 32, and 470. I am not blown away by ANY of the others.

- CD

Our old 380:



Our 400:



Let me get this straight. You owned the boat in the first picture and you still bought the boat in the second picture?

I'm sure I don't have to point this out to you but, have you noticed that their stern treatments are rather similar? Both sterns look remarkably like the front end of a grocery store shopping cart. Perhaps the designer's day job at the Kroger influenced his design work, in study hall.

Sail magazine. Catalina. It's as if they were made for each other. They go together like salt and pepper, eggs and bacon, syphilis and dementia....
 
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