SailNet Community banner
  • SailNet is a forum community dedicated to Sailing enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about sailing, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, repairs, reviews, maintenance, and more!
1 - 20 of 22 Posts

· Registered
Joined
·
8,473 Posts
Reaction score
3,088
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Wow, is this cynical. This year, SAIL magazine is again backing a ICW Snowbird Rally, building on the success the inaugural event saw last year.

But, they have ditched a long time SAIL columnist, sailor,and ICW veteran as rally leader of the rally he founded , instead bringing in a team of...

... power boaters.

Mark Doyle and Tom Hale are likely nice guys, and Mark's Waterways guides are well known and respected, but... they are stinkpotters.

Something tells me this is a recipe for friction and frustration.

Further, SAIL in their infinite wisdom, bumped the price of admission to $1200... almost a 50% increase over last year's rate.
for a Rally that now ends in St Augustine.

So, in a nutshell, participants will pay more for less, led by boats without masts.

Mark has defended the price bump by pointing out that "they get that back easy in dockage, equipment, and fuel discounts. "
How much fuel does he think a sailboat is going to use on a 200 hour power run?

What is SAIL thinking?

 

· Junior Member
Joined
·
3,503 Posts
Reaction score
1,965
Yes, but think of all the group hugs. Kumbaya around the defib machine. Weather analysis paralysis. VHF 16 going off like crazy. When are you sending in your check?
 
  • Like
Reactions: blowinstink

· Registered
Joined
·
620 Posts
Reaction score
181
Somebody needs to get Smack over here quick to look into this rally b'ness! Seriously, rally on the ICW? Come on . . . get an RV or something.
 

· Junior Member
Joined
·
3,503 Posts
Reaction score
1,965
Somebody needs to get Smack over here quick to look into this rally b'ness! Seriously, rally on the ICW? Come on . . . get an RV or something.
I thought Smack was one of the silent organizers in this scheme. Maybe involved in the ISAF inspection process too? Can't wait for him and JonE to discuss the merits and perils of such a treacherous undertaking.:laugher
 
  • Like
Reactions: blowinstink

· Registered
Joined
·
5,111 Posts
Reaction score
2,973
I thought Smack was one of the silent organizers in this scheme. Maybe involved in the ISAF inspection process too? Can't wait for him and JonE to discuss the merits and perils of such a treacherous undertaking.:laugher
It's already been noted, like, 18 months ago... I'm all over the latest Rally News, you should know that by now... :)

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/1121994-post289.html

Does kinda suck that Wally might have gotten the shaft on this deal, sounds like he did a nice job with the first one... But, who knows, perhaps he wanted out, once was enough?

There is a certain logic to having powerboat guys run the deal, it is basically a trip on a trawler with a mast, after all...

There's a good pic in the current SAIL from their write-up on the rally, of one of the smaller boats plowing along in Full Conestoga Wagon mode... they had a pair of big teardrop fenders dangling off the bow from what appeared to be the stem fitting, or bow cleats, gotta admit that's the first time I've seen that one...

:)
 

· Mermaid Hunter
Joined
·
5,666 Posts
Reaction score
2,423
Wow, is this cynical. This year, SAIL magazine is again backing a ICW Snowbird Rally, building on the success the inaugural event saw last year.
I think it is cynical. Disclaimer: Wally Moran is a friend of mine; Mark and Diana Doyle are also friends of mine. I've been invited to speak at the Sail seminars in Hampton. I spoke at the Annapolis 'Secrets to the ICW' seminar last year.

Mark and Diana were long-term sailors before switching to power.

As Jon Eisberg notes the ICW is overwhelmingly run under power.

Something tells me this is a recipe for friction and frustration.
I'll take that bet.

So, in a nutshell, participants will pay more for less, led by boats without masts.
So what? If there is a problem in the fleet they can get through most bridges without waiting for a lift if they need to get to a boat in the fleet. I know Mark cruises at the same speed most sailboats do but he can go a good bit faster if need be to support the rally.

I think the propulsion of the lead boat is mostly irrelevant with some benefit of a power boat.

How much fuel does he think a sailboat is going to use on a 200 hour power run?
150 to 200 gallons. *grin*

I know that the details are still being worked out. I wouldn't be surprised if fuel savings works out to $50 to $100 or more. Marina savings is likely to be much more. I have been told that registration in some events along the way is included. There will also be discounts on equipment and services. I don't know what the total will work out to - I'm sure those details will start showing up on the rally website as details are worked out.

Harder to put numbers on is the value of the seminars before the rally, the daily counsel from someone that knows the ICW as well as anyone I can think of, a very capable mechanic on the rally team, fellowship of other cruisers built along the way, and the follow-on seminars for those moving on to the Bahamas and/or Caribbeans.

I'm definitely not a rally guy. I prefer to go my own way. The closest I've come to a rally has been a small trail of ducklings following me out of an anchorage. *grin* For those who do like the rally concept the Doyles (for the ICW) or the Knowles (for the SDR) are the sort of leaders worth following.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
1,434 Posts
Reaction score
302
Not a nice thing to do to the "founder" and a gentleman. A gift for writing excellent articles and able to do the rally at a lower cost as well, Wally should continue in the leadership position he is perfectly suited for. Sounds like the "squeaky wheel" syndrome playing out here.
 

· Premium Member
Joined
·
5,936 Posts
Reaction score
2,965
Deleted posts that were not only personal attacks but against someone who is not here to defend himself. This is not the place to air grievances.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
1,087 Posts
Reaction score
518
Other critiques of this event aside, 10/24 seems a bit late to depart Hampton. For ostensibly being geared toward ICW newbies, one would think an earlier departure would allow more time to beat the crowds and the cold. My personal preference would be to leave 3 to 4 weeks earlier and to make it to the FL-GA line in the first week of November. I suppose the set sail date will be marketed as giving people the opportunity to go to the boat show, although in reality it's probably more about not interfering with the organizers' attendance.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
25,122 Posts
Reaction score
9,225
If there is value to be had for the fee, why not. Many join flotillas, even some races, as much for the parties and camaraderie than for the sailing itself. Many transit the ICW each Fall, even in the sailboats.

It's not my thing, but I'll bet there is value for some that plan to head down the ditch anyway and stay a few marinas along the way.
 

· Registered
Joined
·
5,111 Posts
Reaction score
2,973
If there is value to be had for the fee, why not. Many join flotillas, even some races, as much for the parties and camaraderie than for the sailing itself. Many transit the ICW each Fall, even in the sailboats.

It's not my thing, but I'll bet there is value for some that plan to head down the ditch anyway and stay a few marinas along the way.
Not my sort of thing, either, but in many respects a Rally down the ICW would seem to make more sense, or have to offer, than an offshore rally like the ARC or Caribbean 1500, with the engagement with the other participants taking place throughout, as opposed to just the beginning and end...

Not all that much different from a New York Yacht Club Cruise down east, seems to me... Aside from the comparative lack of BeneHunteLinas among the NYYC crowd, perhaps...

:)

 

· Registered
Joined
·
25,122 Posts
Reaction score
9,225
The NYYC summer cruise is a sight to be seen. Coincidentally, I ended up anchored among them outside Edgartown Harbor last summer. At night, they light the sky like a city skyline. Literally, several tie their 45ft racing sailboats alongside their 200 ft yachts. Never before had I seen a J44 look like a sailing dinghy. :)
 

· Canuck Sailor
Joined
·
257 Posts
Reaction score
38
Not a nice thing to do to the "founder" and a gentleman. A gift for writing excellent articles and able to do the rally at a lower cost as well, Wally should continue in the leadership position he is perfectly suited for. Sounds like the "squeaky wheel" syndrome playing out here.
Hi Seaduction - only just now saw this comment and I wanted to say thank you for your kind remarks. As you may know, I've launched my own rally, Sail to the Sun ICW Rally. We're now on our third year, it's been very successful and with rave reviews from participants. Details can be had at ICWally.com. Thanks again for your comments.
 

· Canuck Sailor
Joined
·
257 Posts
Reaction score
38
Other critiques of this event aside, 10/24 seems a bit late to depart Hampton. For ostensibly being geared toward ICW newbies, one would think an earlier departure would allow more time to beat the crowds and the cold. My personal preference would be to leave 3 to 4 weeks earlier and to make it to the FL-GA line in the first week of November. I suppose the set sail date will be marketed as giving people the opportunity to go to the boat show, although in reality it's probably more about not interfering with the organizers' attendance.
Issues such as insurance and yes, the boat show, keep us from leaving as early as you might. My last two Sail to the Sun ICW Rallies left in mid-October, early enough to avoid most of the cold, late enough to satisfy insurance rules and catch the boat show. It's all worked out very well and we'll be doing it again in the fall of 2017. In fact, before the end of January, the 2017 rally was 20% sold.
 

· Canuck Sailor
Joined
·
257 Posts
Reaction score
38
It's already been noted, like, 18 months ago... I'm all over the latest Rally News, you should know that by now... :)

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/1121994-post289.html

Does kinda suck that Wally might have gotten the shaft on this deal, sounds like he did a nice job with the first one... But, who knows, perhaps he wanted out, once was enough?

There is a certain logic to having powerboat guys run the deal, it is basically a trip on a trawler with a mast, after all...

There's a good pic in the current SAIL from their write-up on the rally, of one of the smaller boats plowing along in Full Conestoga Wagon mode... they had a pair of big teardrop fenders dangling off the bow from what appeared to be the stem fitting, or bow cleats, gotta admit that's the first time I've seen that one...

:)
Thanks for your kind comments. It has all worked out very well - I used the opportunity to launch the Sail to the Sun ICW Rally and we're now on year 3. The first two rallies were huge successes and the participants all had a great time. In fact, this year, the Rally ended up in the Exumas together, rallying onward. I am so proud of these people! If you or anyone wants to know more, check out ICWally.com for details!
 

· Mermaid Hunter
Joined
·
5,666 Posts
Reaction score
2,423
Wally got up early (or stayed up late) this morning -- or else the famed middle-aged guy trip turned into a flurry of computer time when he couldn't fall back asleep. *grin*
@canucksailorguy - Hope my Crossing the Gulf Stream to your group turned out to be helpful.
 
1 - 20 of 22 Posts
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Top