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Hello, All. Check this out. Saw the smoke from 5 storys up, while I was at work. Figured it was a boat since it was in the vicinity of the IRYC. I pass under that wire all the time. They muta come in to close and hit it. Interesting photos and video. This is one site or you can google the thread title for more. Kevin

2 boaters, 2 pets rescued from burning boat in Indian River | www.wftv.com
 

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Those are my old sailing waters. They must have been out of the channel.
Looks like a another fixer upper will be for sale on Craigslist in the near future.
Glad the people made it out OK.
 

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Oh well, it's already on the Indian River - seems to be where sailboats go to die in Fla.
 
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Damn, I feel for those folks. They're lucky to have made it out without anyone getting hurt.
 

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Although the linked news story says they "hit" the power lines, based on the lack of rig damage on some of the early pictures, I would not be surprised if the high voltage arced to the top of their mast. Electricity can jump 20 or 30 feet under the right conditions, and the charted vertical clearance is far more than a boat that size should need.
 

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Although the linked news story says they "hit" the power lines, based on the lack of rig damage on some of the early pictures, I would not be surprised if the high voltage arced to the top of their mast. Electricity can jump 20 or 30 feet under the right conditions, and the charted vertical clearance is far more than a boat that size should need.
Interesting that if the boat is a ketch it was the mizzen mast that looks damaged. The mizzen is usually much shorter than the main. Something is weird. If a schooner the foremast would be shorter, and the main mast (in the stern) taller. Weird.

Fair winds and following seas :)
 

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Interesting that if the boat is a ketch it was the mizzen mast that looks damaged. The mizzen is usually much shorter than the main. Something is weird. If a schooner the foremast would be shorter, and the main mast (in the stern) taller. Weird.

Fair winds and following seas :)
The main mast has smoke coming off of it, suggesting that it may have been the contact point for the arc. The mizzen is falling because the cabin below it is engulfed in flames, burning and melting everything that supports it.
 

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"The main mast has smoke coming off of it"

I saw that. I thought the main was acting like a chimney.
 

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I suspect they may have been anchored, and 'swung' into the powerlines.

Hard to imagine taking the time to drop the hook after your boat explodes.. I'd think you just wanted to get off..
 
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If you get the detailed charts of the area (NOAA 11478) it shows the clearance as 85' over the channel. Does not specify how low it is elsewhere. A boat that size isn't going to have anywhere near an 85' mast, so they had to have been outside the channel.
 

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I suspect they may have been anchored, and 'swung' into the powerlines.

Hard to imagine taking the time to drop the hook after your boat explodes.. I'd think you just wanted to get off..
Thanks Faster, I thought it was just me... Maybe they slipped the hook and before they noticed the drag, were into, or rather, NEAR the wire. I agree with others it doesn't appear they actually hit the wires, but rather arced down to the mast from the wires. Not pretty any way you slice it... but I highly doubt my first response would have been, OK we've been struck, lets just drop anchor HERE!
 

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I think there's a real learning opportunity here, especially if there was an arc without physical contact. If they anchored under the wires, there could have been an opportunity for a static charge to build up over time, leading to an arc that may not have happened had they just passed under briefly.

It's purely speculative at this time, but I hope that there is an incident report on this one, since it seems like there may be a possibility of an unusual event happening here. I'm particularly interested in learning what the distance was between the wire and the top of their mast, and what was the voltage in the wire.
 
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I think there's a real learning opportunity here, especially if there was an arc without physical contact.
It would be interesting to understand what happened.
If they anchored under the wires, there could have been an opportunity for a static charge to build up over time, leading to an arc that may not have happened had they just passed under briefly.
Could you explain that? I would expect the wire to be carrying AC, so I'm not yet seeing how that could happen.
 

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I think there's a real learning opportunity here, especially if there was an arc without physical contact. If they anchored under the wires, there could have been an opportunity for a static charge to build up over time, leading to an arc that may not have happened had they just passed under briefly.
This is interesting.

I can imagine a well grounded boat going under without error.

I can imagine a poorly grounded boat going under quickly and the crew might notice that 'static charge' feeling.

I can then imagine a poorly grounded boat lingering under the wires with disastrous effect.

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"and what was the voltage in the wire." You're about 14 years too late to get that information. Post 9/11, anything about everything about infrastructure has become a delicate issue. Utility co's are afraid to comment on anything that could say how they're vulnerable (i.e. where primary feeds are) and especially after the substation in Cali was shot up a year and a half ago, DHS and the electric co's have been roundly criticized for failing to act and take things more seriously.

In 2001 you could go online and get DoE web sites showing the details and choices for demolition tools and procedures, to clear reinforced concrete structures, like building columns. You could go online and get detailed maps showing the internet "backbone" and where the high speed trunk lines ran.

Today? All gone. Ask a utility for details of "critical infrastructure" and you might get all sorts of people upset.

IIRC the "air breakers" at substations, where high tension lines feed neighborhoods, use about a three foot air gap to prevent arc-overs. Any kind of sailboat with an ICW clearance (65'?) passing under an 85' cable, should not have been able to pull an arc off that cable, even in 100% humidity wx.

Betcha a nickel that in six months they'll find the boat was in the wrong place, or something in the cable supports had failed. Power companies generally don't like to electrocute the rate-payers, that stuff is usually well maintained, simply because maintenance costs less than lawsuits.
 

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"Power companies generally don't like to electrocute the rate-payers"

Is it time to sell FPL short?

As far as what voltage, a good guess would be anywhere between 33Kv to 110 Kv.
 
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