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Just found this interesting article...

http://www.goodoldboat.com/promo_pdfs/Jan13_Promo.pdf

"If you’re going cruising, you’re
likely to be concerned about value.
A good place to start shopping for a
boat is with the well-made fiberglass
production designs of the mid-1960s to
mid-1980s. What I often refer to as the
golden age of fiberglass boatbuilding
began in the early 1970s. During this
decade, along with a general awakening
to the need for a clean environment and
a popular movement toward simplifying
life and getting back to nature, the
production of small to medium-sized
sailboats exploded all over America
and Europe. Many builders turned out
racing boats that proved to be excellent
offshore cruisers. Swan 40s and 43s and
their American counterparts — such as
the Tartan series or some of Pearson’s
designs — have all proven themselves
on countless passages and long-term
cruises. Boats like the Westsail 32, the
Crealock 37, and Cabo Ricos spawned
a profusion of clones and copies, many
of which are still sailing the world’s
oceans today."

It lists some pretty good cheap offshore sailboats -

For $10,000 you could buy:
post-1976 Bristol 24
1970s Pacific Seacraft Flicka
Eastward Ho 24
Pearson Triton or Vanguard
Allied Seawind 30
Contessa 26
Folkboat
Alberg 30
Tartan 27

For $25,000 you could buy:
Pearson Alberg 35
Bristol 32
Nor’Sea 27
Westsail 28
Alberg 37
Allied Seawind II or Seabreeze
Shannon 28
Pacific Seacraft Orion or Mariah
 

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While you may buy a Nor'sea for 25 grand, trailer included?, she is going to need a total refit. Those boats factory done ready to go are at around 150 grand. I got mine, half completed with triple axle trailer for a lot less than factory finished. I will probably put another 25 grand into her before she splashes. I studied the Nor'sea market for about 3 years before purchasing 5'Oclock. Yes there may be sellers out there who have to sell, or the boat is so trashed out its only worth 25 grand, just don't count on it.
 
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It lists some pretty good cheap offshore sailboats -

For $10,000 you could buy:
post-1976 Bristol 24
1970s Pacific Seacraft Flicka
Eastward Ho 24
Pearson Triton or Vanguard
Allied Seawind 30
Contessa 26
Folkboat
Alberg 30
Tartan 27
I've seen a few Flickas sell for around $10k, but all of them needed work. Realistically, they belong in the next category (arguably the Alberg 30, Folkboat, and Contessa 26 do too, if they are close to decent condition)

For $25,000 you could buy:
Pearson Alberg 35
Bristol 32
Nor’Sea 27
Westsail 28
Alberg 37
Allied Seawind II or Seabreeze
Shannon 28
Pacific Seacraft Orion or Mariah
Good luck finding an Orion, Mariah, Westsail 28, or Nor'Sea 27 for less than $30k.

Wait, maybe you could get this one:



I find a lot of good deals by looking closely, but they all need work. That list above is a pipe dream.
 

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Shinook, Where did you find that pic of the Nor'sea? Is it a listing somewhere?

When I got my NS27, The one's available from the mid 80s were going for $40-45k. Mine needed (still needs) some work and luckly got it for $10k less. I would expect lower costing to require some work. Even most of the Flicka's I've seen for sale cost much more than $10k.
 

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The Bristol 26 has a higher capsize risk and a lower motion comfort rating than the Bristol 24 or 27. However, I'm sure it would do ok for voyaging if properly modified. My Bristol 24 does fine offshore, but can be uncomfortable in rough conditions. I wouldn't want a less comfortable motion than The b24 for a longer passage.
 

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there are LOTS more boats in the 10k range you can cruise aroun with...

one of the most extensive and comprehenisve lists is by none other than pearson triton twice circumnavigator james baldwin

his list is awesome and has many many boats not commonly thought of, both rare and production boats too...

look up atom voyages and check his list!
 

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For $10,000 you could buy:
For $25,000 you could buy:
In the article it says 10-25k for the first group of boats and 25-45k for the second group of boats. Those are much more fair numbers. I was wondering where one found a $25,000 Pacific Seacraft Orion in ready to sail shape (normal asking price on one is $45-$60k)
 

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Shinook, Where did you find that pic of the Nor'sea? Is it a listing somewhere?.
No, I took it myself. We were looking at a Pearson 35 in nearby a yard and she was one of the boats in the derelict section, which is one step from "abandoned" (a pile of boats in the corner of the yard).

I wanted to try and take her home, but we lack the space to store and work on her, which she needed a lot of. She definitely appeared to have been abandoned, all of the deck hardware was removed and the rig was missing. I was tempted to look through the portlights and see what was inside, but I wouldn't have done that unless I had known for sure that she was abandoned. I would guess that, based on the condition of the exterior, the interior would need to be pulled completely.

In the article it says 10-25k for the first group of boats and 25-45k for the second group of boats. Those are much more fair numbers. I was wondering where one found a $25,000 Pacific Seacraft Orion in ready to sail shape (normal asking price on one is $45-$60k)
That definitely makes them a little more reasonable.
 

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you can find cheap boats anywhere and you can find goood boats cheap.. goodluck. you have left out the best boats that are found under 20000 usd..lol but then these boats are sturdy and have been sailing rtw for decades..lol... goodluck finding what you want for cheap, as it takes a good search to find the right boat for you in the price range you desire. i got my formosa for the money the po gets from my old ericson...lol.
 

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No, I took it myself. We were looking at a Pearson 35 in nearby a yard and she was one of the boats in the derelict section, which is one step from "abandoned" (a pile of boats in the corner of the yard).

Is this in Florida? which yard? Looking at the picture again, I think it might be OZ (Hull 2 or something low like that). It was listed on the owners group for real cheap. There was pictures on the owners group but they're not there anymore. I remember the interior wasn't really all there and the deck was stripped and lots of holes. It would have to be a complete rebuild / recore etc.

I've been interested in a project boat so I was tempted in it myself but no space and couldn't really afford it.
 

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10 grand is hardly the minimum annual budget for a circumnavigation. On a 10g boat, you'd better add another 10g's to that, for maintenance and repairs.
 

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Quite a number of people have circumnavigated on a boat of that budget or even much less.

Shane Acton for one.

But a few have set off and never been seen again.
 

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Is this in Florida? which yard? Looking at the picture again, I think it might be OZ (Hull 2 or something low like that). It was listed on the owners group for real cheap. There was pictures on the owners group but they're not there anymore. I remember the interior wasn't really all there and the deck was stripped and lots of holes. It would have to be a complete rebuild / recore etc.

I've been interested in a project boat so I was tempted in it myself but no space and couldn't really afford it.
What were they asking for her?

If they interior is missing, at least they saved the next person the effort of taking it out :) The deck was definitely stripped down and left out, you can tell the compass is missing in the picture above and no one bothered to even cover the holes. IIRC, the missing deck hardware was treated the same way. It struck me as a situation where someone had left her to rot somewhere and yard vultures took off with everything useful. I don't even think there was a bow rail. TBH, I don't see that as an entirely bad thing, at least the useless crap is gone and it's one less thing to have to deal with.

I think of her some here and there. I often contemplate driving down to see if she's still there. If we had the space, I'd block her in our yard and work on her as I have time and money, but we lack the space at the moment. I know I'd be under water on her, but I just love those boats and hate to see one rot. Even if I never get to it, she's not gonna deteriorate any worse and having her wait another year or two really isn't gonna hurt...

The boat is in Ft Pierce, FL.
 

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At the time, I think almost $4k was being asked for it but could be wrong. I remember the pictures I saw had it sitting on a mooring, but still stripped.
 

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So, what is the relevance of the article?

Very few sailors circumnavigate. What difference does it make to you?
I would think its relevant to everyone who aspires to do more than use their boat as a party boat.

It's a good list, and even if you're not planning a circumnavigation, a boat capable of one would be a good boat for people that are going to get caught out in heavy weather or plan to do some cruising.

If you were sailing from Richmond to Bermuda or the Mediterranean, and your boat budget was under $45,000 wouldn't a good place to start getting some ideas be this list or the atom voyages one?

I bought my boat in part because it was listed on one of these lists(or so I thought)
 

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So, what is the relevance of the article?

Very few sailors circumnavigate. What difference does it make to you?
I don't think I understand your animosity in your posts the past few days towards those who dream about circumnavigating (and for cruising, too). Why not just ignore the threads and don't participate in the conversations?

I don't care for NASCAR and don't see the point so...I don't buy tickets to the races and don't subscribe to the cable channel. Easy to ignore. I don't find a NASCAR forum to join just to continually post how much I dislike it and how I only see cars driving in dangerous circles around a track so why would anyone in their right mind do such a thing?

But circumnavigating is part of the world of sailing and thus will always be discussed here. I don't think putting anyone down for discussing it serves any purpose.
 

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