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I was wondering how difficult is it to sail and anchor on the East side of Manhattan Island NYC from Virginia?


Once one is out of the ocean and into the Hudson Bay is it difficult to catch wind and sail through or once ends up using the engine?

And is it crowded for July 4th up there if you have already done this?


How about docking fees, fueling etc... if you happen to know approximate rates?
 

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Yes, I did the 4th of July on the boat in the Hudson and it was the wrong thing to do. I should have been on the shore... Thats where the party was.

I had a few friends on the boat and it was kinda fun... Although the coast guard/ police whatever tried to symie as much fun as they could. There were not many boats out, I guess they all knew.

As for sailing up the Hudson into Manhatten... Thats a definite problem for people who havent been there before. Current for a start... And a few other boats, ships and ferrys around.

 

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Nice to hear about your trip. Where you able to watch the fireworks form the boat easily?

Also I saw a youtube video, and I do see the current you are talking about, but were you able to catch the wind all the way or did you have to end up using the motor?



Yes, I did the 4th of July on the boat in the Hudson and it was the wrong thing to do. I should have been on the shore... Thats where the party was.

I had a few friends on the boat and it was kinda fun... Although the coast guard/ police whatever tried to symie as much fun as they could. There were not many boats out, I guess they all knew.

As for sailing up the Hudson into Manhatten... Thats a definite problem for people who havent been there before. Current for a start... And a few other boats, ships and ferrys around.

 

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There is a really nice anchorage near the CG station at Sandy Hook, but after that I don't know if you'll have much luck anchoring in the Upper NY Bay or the East River, especially around the 4th. If you are not a very, very experienced sailor (it wouldn't hurt to have good crew too, to help watch out for traffic) with a really good understanding of the Rules of the Road (Inland rules), I would not attempt to sail beyond the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, but that's just me, perhaps. "Strong tides make parts of New York Harbor difficult and dangerous to navigate."
I was operating a 100 foot vessel there on the Bicentennial 4th afternoon/evening and it was a madhouse, but that was my only 4th experience there.
 

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H,

I was wondering how difficult is it to sail and anchor on the East side of Manhattan Island NYC from Virginia? .....
From Virginia? Nope, not possible. From Georgia, maybe, but not Virginia. :)

No anchoring in the East River, as it's properly called, to my knowledge. Active Captain does show something new up Whale Creek, but I've never been.

You can anchor off the Statue of Liberty to the Southwest of Manhattan. Imagine the view of NYC, while anchored in the shadow of the lady? Has to be on every sailor's bucket list.

I did it about 25 years ago. I've also anchored there to watch the Jul 4 fireworks, for which I assume the rules have changed since. Back then, there were so many boats, it was a nightmare. Literally fending off the entire time. If there is no one out there now, as Mark claims, I would do it again in a heartbeat.

Here is the link to Active Captain. Click on the interactive Cruising Guidebook and have a look. There are a few marinas in the area, if that's what you're looking for.

https://activecaptain.com
 

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From another old log book entry (July 4th 2000) ...

Easy sail from Chesapeake Bay entrance to Sandy Hook NJ (Lower NY Harbor) Broke passage at Absecon Inlet (Atlantic City) for an overnight anchor between the CG station and Brigantine Bridge.

Sandy Hook Anchorage (Lower NY Harbor) crowded and exposed to the west, but good access and reasonable depths... 5 ft tides so check tide state when you pick a spot. If you forget, you could find yourself laid over on the bottom at low tide (Don't ask how I know)

Across the other side of the lower harbor is Great Kills. Great hole in a blow if you can find room in all the moorings.

Had planned to scoot through NY area early to avoid July 4th traffic issues, but daughter REALLY wanted to watch the fireworks so the old man broke down and anchored north of Ellis Island (designated anchorage, still open) Extremely crowded (July 4th 2000) with lots of wake from pleasure boat traffic. Great view of Lower Manhattan. Prices for everything were simply outrageous from cigs to fuel, even on the Jersey side. Left anchorage late morning and sailed (not motored) up the Hudson to West Haverstraw for fuel and a late lunch. Much better prices, made some new friends and ended up docking overnight before continuing up Hudson.

Big tidal race in the Hudson, so sail options will depend on tides and wind (as always)
Between Verrazano Narrows and George Washington Bridge there is a huge amount of big ship and ferry traffic, so even if you sail it is probably best to leave the engine idling for quick maneuvering. Gross-tonnage rule applies rather than inland rules. If they outweigh you, get out of the way... quickly. Ferries in particular are high speed, and stick to their course and schedule.

Hope some of that helps... Me, I am headed south. .
 

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I usually anchor north of Ellis Island after transiting the East River while waiting for a far current to head up the Hudson. Have not done it on the fourth though. I imagine as others have said it could be packed. There are some pricey moorings ($75) a little north of the battery. You probably need to be lucky for July 4th to get one. There is also 79th street Marina a little far from the fireworks (if they are held in the Hudson River) You definatly need to be aware of the tidal currents in the harbor. Big ship traffic does not have unlimited room to maneuver in some places. Suggest you pick up an Eldridge Tide and Pilot before starting out on your trip it will tell you every thing you need to know about what the current is doing. On the fourth they will be a lot of Marine enforcement out keeping you away from fireworks barges and the like plus lot's of wakes from power boats. Not my idea of fun.:rolleyes: Other than marinas on the New Jersey side of the river not really any places to drop the hook without being hassled by the CG or MP until you get up by 79th Street. Good luck with your plans.
 

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The Hudson would be the west side, wouldn't it?
Last time I went through the east side - AKA Hells Gate - there was no way you were going ot anchor in there. We went at the wrong time and were doing 1 knot SOG for 6 knots on the meter :(
 

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The 2014 Macy's fireworks are in the East River. There is no place to anchor in the East River. Currents are severe. The police will be out full force to protect the fireworks barges. In a nutshell there will be no place that you can put your boat where you will be able to see the fireworks.
 

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Or you can anchor for free either sid eof 79th st boat basin.... But using their dinghy dock costs $25 per day (same as the moorings) but you get a free shower and free washing machine and dryer... If you can get the local live abords off the machines... But the show is always available as the locals dont wash ;)
 

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IIRC the only legal anchorage on the east river is "Potter's Cove" or something like that. A large cove that used to be a ferry terminal, and is still shown as an anchorage to be a holding area for traffic departing north into the Hell Gate. But I'd never bother to anchor there, foul bottom, north end of the river, no point in using it.

The fireworks are sometimes in the east river, sometimes on the Hudson side, you'd need to confirm in advance. It can be a great show but unless you're in a private (paid) mooring or dock area, it can be a real zoo and a very long night, between the crowds, the tides, and the USCG shutting down the whole area for the event.

Worth doing? Arguably, yes. But expect it will require WORK and be a very long day, running into the next morning. Start with the harbor charts to see if you'll have a line of sight from the viewing area, whichever you choose. If you're coming just for the fireworks and then going home? No, I'd take Amtrak instead.
 

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The toys are us by the belt parkway was legal and safe and FREE but pretty inconvenient other than we were really tired

Anything else north is a ZOO until as said said a good bit up the Hudson
 

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Can sail lower/upper NY bay, trip up East River for sailboats is with current usually
motoring with a sail up.
If siteseeing/lunch can anchor out of channel in shallows around/close Stat. of Liberty.
One does not anchor in East River.
Use to have free and total access to commercial pier on East River, never brought
sailboatboat and especially would not on July 4th. Let friend from south tie up during (I think) 100th anniv. celebration for Stat. Liberty, at end of fireworks when power boats all left area had 8 ft. rollers coming in between piers. Not good.
 

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The 2014 Macy's fireworks are in the East River.....
They were in 2014. However, that was the first time in several years. I don't know why they go back and forth, between the East River and Hudson, but the OP should check before making concrete plans.
 

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In general, anyplace in the USA, on 7-4 I would be on a mooring in a 6 MPH zone, on land, or in a large steel vessel. Anything else is asking to be run over by drunk idiots with no lights that have not been out since the 4th one year ago.
 

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The fireworks go back and forth between the two locations because everyone wants (or doesn't want) the fireworks in THEIR backyard, to get the best view and seat. So Macy's tries to be fair about it and move them back and forth. Someone at Macy's, or the USCG, should be able to say where they will be sometime in advance of the general public announcement.
 

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... So Macy's tries to be fair about it and move them back and forth. Someone at Macy's, or the USCG, should be able to say where they will be sometime in advance of the general public announcement.
You might check your LNM.

On the Chesapeake all of the organizations and businesses that applied for fireworks permits through the USCG are listed in a section at the end of the LNM starting in the beginning of the year (I imagine they start posting them as soon as the permit is approved). You can see the date(s), location, and whatever on-water restrictions the USCG will be enforcing for each event.
 

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As another boater stated, the most difficult area and the one with the greatest is the area in the upper bay between the VZ bridge and lower Manhattan known as The Battery. as suggested a sharp lookout is needed to stay out of the big boys way.
 
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