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Some boats just stir something in us that make us love them. I love the salty folk boat look. I have picked out a few types to illustrate what I am looking for and am hoping that with a little of everyones expertise we could expand this list.
Cape Dory 25
Greenwich 24
Bristol 24, 25, 26, 27

Okay here are important specs.
10K 2-3K refit. Prefer less.
4-9K displacement handling and rowability
Less then 30 for cost, handling, rowability, and did I say cost including long term costs
I love the outboard well and prefer an outboard. Not hanging off the back.
Seakindly for their size.

Current planned use is crusing Great Lakes
Future plans will include cruising east coast and remotly possible the caribean. I know it is small. I have lived months out of a Kayak and years in a tent I am sure I can do it in a 25 foot sailboat. Only me with occasional guest that understand how small it is.

I have looked at Bayfield 25 but from what I can tell, is that in a blow it would be a rough ride. Not much ballast and not much of a keel.
 

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A little bit above your price range, but the Pacific Seacraft 25 might be worth a look. It has an inboard diesel, which I would consider a big plus. You might be able to negotiate a better deal or wait for one to come along:

PSC 25 Example
 

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The boats you've mentioned look pretty heavy to row. If you like "folk" type boats, perhaps a Folkboat would work. The low freeboard aft and (relatively) light weight would make rowing easier. Don't know about an outboard well.
Try this link for more information: sfbayfolkboats.org/
 

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The boats you've mentioned look pretty heavy to row. If you like "folk" type boats, perhaps a Folkboat would work. The low freeboard aft and (relatively) light weight would make rowing easier. Don't know about an outboard well.
Try this link for more information: sfbayfolkboats.org/
Good suggestion Paul!

The 26' Folkboats (by Marieholm) do have outboard wells, but some owners report that they are a bit problematic under certain conditions. However, the Folkboat is so slippery that you'd hardly ever need the outboard. They are great sailing boats, in both light and heavy air.

Notoriously wet boats, though. Wet from bow spray, that is.

If you or anyone else is interested in the Folkboat, I know of a nice example that is unofficially for sale.
 

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I love the PSC 25 and if I found one at the right price and with the right survey for sure.

Everyone should check out the photos on sfbayfolkboasts.org/ very beatiful girls. Maybe a little smaller then I am looking for. The rowability is not of high importnace. I have a lot of reason for the oars but speed is not one. I would mostly use them for short duration and manuaver ability and the rythmic methodical meditation paddling and rowing offer.

Thanks for the great info. Rat.
 

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Check out Atom Voyages | Voyaging Around the World on the Sailboat Atom with James and Mei. He sails in a little Pearson all over the place and he has a list of small boats right up your alley. A little 25-footer is plenty big enough for doing the kind of cruising you're talking about. With all due respect to PSC, they're very over-built for just messing about in the Carib or for coastal sailing. I'd like to own one, but there are many other boats that would fill the bill for a lot less $$$. Good luck, Mate.

Finding the right boat is like finding a wife. It takes a while and sometimes more than one try!!
 

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Just remember, there are a quite a few folkboat variants out there, like the Contessa 26. :)

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I'd highly recommend you take a look at James Baldwin's recently published list of pocket cruisers. LINK
 

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Great info. I have looked at James Baldwins site but it has been awhile and had kind of forgot about it. I feel a conection with Baldwin because he is or was a Michigander. There are some great recomendations on his site. He posted the Bayfield 25 for circling the blue. I realize there are way more variables then the boat but I feel if it is really blowing that boat would be a very rough ride. Am I way off. I have never sailed one but with that beam, shallow keel, and low ballest it just seems like it would not be a great sailor except for maybe 15-20 Knots of wind. That is only my 2cents and I am not in the know. I am going to continue looking through Baldwins list of boats.

Saildog you are definetly correct on the Contessa 26. I would consider one if it fell in the correct range and checked out with a good survey. What other boats are folk boat types? Thanks for all the great info. Rat
 

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With all due respect, I've always thought it rather pretentious to have wheel-steering on a 28-foot boat as shown on the first Southern Cross image. Good boat, however, IMHO.
 

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Most SC28s are tiller steered... that was probably modified by the owner, since I don't believe they offered wheel steering from the factory.
With all due respect, I've always thought it rather pretentious to have wheel-steering on a 28-foot boat as shown on the first Southern Cross image. Good boat, however, IMHO.
 

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The SC are beatiful boats. Not finding many in my price range but I will keep a look out. I find it hard looking for boats. Based on my price range it really increases the price when if I drive/fly across country looking for a boat. That money could add up really fast and I think would be better spent on a refit. The CS 27 looks nice but maybe not as salty as some but she looks faster then most I am looking at. Not that I care too much about speed but who dosn't like a little speed.

I agree boat less then 30 just don't look right with a wheel.
 

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If the SC 28 is one to your liking, another similar altho probably pricer than your budget, is the Westsail 28. Just to throw another boat out there.

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I'd also recommend the Elizabethan series of boats...
 

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These are all great suggestions and if I find any in my region within my price range I will definitely check them out. I realize that most boats of this size have inboards and I definitely feel for safety an inboard is hands down better then an outboard. The problem is that I see the engine as one of the biggest things that can or will go wrong that will cost me the bucks and I feel less capable of doing the work my self. I do feel a little regular preventative maintenance can save me a lot of the big costs when it come to engines but would rather not. I could just take it out which would add to the storage and carrying capacity but I don't want an engine hanging off the back for more reason then purely aesthetics.

I did find and old 68 Ericson 30 that is far from exactly what I am looking for with its fin keel but looks like a reasonable boat for the price and could be very capable with a little refit and beefing up. If I did end up hoping islands in the Caribbean I feel with a conservative itinerary a person would rarely need to be more then 150 mile to the next port. That seems like plenty of weather window to make those crossing in almost anything as long as you are smart, and mentally prepared for the worse. What are people thoughts on the old Ericson 30? I found a blog in California of some guy with the same year and he seems to love it. I never feel like I can trust any owners because we all think our boat is the best.

Well I will stop babbling. Thanks for all the ideas. I am open to any ideas on small reasonably priced capable boats. With my budget I can’t be too picky but I love the salty look. The Westsail 28 mentions are one of my favorites. If time and money were not as much of an issue and I was sailing the world the Westsail 32 would be close to the top of my list.
 
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