There is no way I'd sell a boat and not be the one operating it on a sea trial.
It sounded like the OP was selling his boat, and the broker was suggesting he not be present for the sea trial.that is not the issue... I believe the question was have a broker and an buyer do a sea trial without the owner on board.
The sea trial is usually the last part of a survey, and a relatively quick one just to show everything is operational. Almost all of the tough questions get asked during the much longer and more involved structural and equipment survey, where the owner doesn't need to be present.(I would have to learn to keep my mouth shut and hide sometimes so the buyer could ask his tough questions of the surveyor).
I mostly agree. If the broker has insurance for damaging other people's boats, then I have no issue with them using it.When we bought our boat the broker took care of everything. They brought the boat from it's home marina to the yard for the survey, and took us out for the sea trial, and then returned the boat to the home marina. The owner had no involvement whatsoever. We didn't even meet the owner until after the deal was done.
The broker takes full responsibility for the boat while they are showing it, and I am sure they are insured against any damage that might occur while the boat is in their care.
Keep in mind, by the time the deal gets to the sea trial stage there is already a signed sales agreement. It is not as if they are just on a joyride.
I don't think any responsible broker would allow the buyer to do something silly like hoisting the sails in heavy air. I don't think it is unreasonable to run the engine at full throttle as that will reveal a cooling system problem that otherwise could go unnoticed. I would be very suspicious if a seller who wouldn't allow that.
I believe the seller should keep their distance and let the broker do their job. Ideally they should not be present at all.
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Should have told him to get lost. Really. It's not rude to expect to examine a potential purchase without any interference. In fact, the broker should have told him to get lost.I flew to the MidWest to see a boat on the Great Lakes and the owner met the broker and I at their indoor storage yard. The owner absolutely sucked the air out of the room, telling me how great everything was they had done to the boat. A very friendly guy, but didn't want us to miss any little detail he was proud of. I think we had to stand next to the dinghy and listen to a speech on it for 5 minutes. I swear he was more proud of his dinghy than the mother ship itself. OOOPH.
I left that viewing feeling like I couldn't do what I went to do. If I opened anything, I got a 10 minute story. I think most owners would make this mistake, because it's too personal and they don't know how to sell.
Yes, this is exactly how and what I expect a sea trial to be, and to be performed. You do mention you expect the owner or the owner's representative to be present for operating the boat. That was also my point.
Did you put the rail in the water?30 knots is a bit much, but my last sea trail was in 20-25 and reefed. I bought the boat. Certainly anything up to 1 reef is reasonable, unless you believe the boat can't handle that....
Reschedule with a surveyor? As a buyer, I'd probably bulk at a sea trial with a surveyor, and another just for the seller to see if he likes sailing the boat.A sea trial in zero-to-nothing is very nearly a waste of time. I would reschedule, and have.
No, I'm not suggesting a near gale, but 10-15 knots is a good window. But you don't really get to pick and choose, since these things are scheduled. Might be a little more, and that's when you see how good she is. What I am saying that is some buyers will walk if you require she be babied during trials. We'll smell a rat and run.
Yeah, I got the 500 delta number from our previous MD2030, which I remembered off hand. Your D2-40 is 400, and our current D2-55 is 300. I think the difference is the difference in governed rpm - 3600 for the MD2030, 3200 for the D2-40, and 3000 for the D2-55.I have a 2012 Volvo D2-40. I pulled the following text from the manual.
The engines sections lists engine RPMs at 2800-3200 for D1-13, Dq-20, D1-30, and D2-40 engines. I typically cruise at 2200 rpm which puts me around 6.5kts in chop for a boat that has a theoretical hull speed of 7.6. I believe I have gotten a little over 7 kts at around 2500.