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Hi all,
My fiance and I are trying to get our 41 sailboat from San Diego to Olympia (a city about 60 miles south of Seattle). We don't know if we should sail it, ship it, or pay a professional to sail her up.

We were hoping to sail, but my fiance and I don't have much ocean experience. The furthest we've sailed just the two of us has been around Vancouver Island, a fun but challenging experience in itself. We were planning to bring a much more experienced bluewater cruiser friend but he can't take the time off work. Instead, we're taking a sailing friend who has about as much experience as we do. We understand that this is a scary route for beginners. It is a slow but reliable boat and has been recently refit for ocean cruising.

We then looked at shipping and that seemed more practical. Looking online, it seemed we'd be paying $4500-6000. However, now another Sailnet member said it would be about $10,000 including the haul out, mast removal, etc. We definitely can't spend $10,000. Is this an accurate price?

We haven't been able to find much information about paying someone to sail it up. About how much does that cost? Are there hidden fees with that service as well?

Please help. If we are sailing, we're planning to set sail by July 1st.

Thank you and happy sailing!
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You will find that the cost of a delivery crew and fuel is about the same as shipping.

If you have time you could hire a pro to help you sail the boat north. That way you only have to pay for one pro and you get 1,200 miles and 2-3 weeks of experience and tuition.

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Thanks Phil. That's good to know.

Paying one pro to come with us is a good idea. This would be ideal because we really want the ocean experience, and to learn from a master would be fantastic. Do you know about how much it would cost to hire someone to sail from San Diego to Seattle with us?

Do you think three people who have sailed from Seattle around Vancouver Island could handle this route safely alone or is it too risky for bluewater rookies?

Thanks again,
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You could probably handle it but it needs planning and the nerve to head out to sea if you get caught by bad weather...many of the entries are very dangerous in bad weather.

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When you pick your professional... spend a couple of days to discover his/her personality.
You want someone who is responsible and yet relaxed in his/her own skin to where they are instructive and NOT over bearing. For a start.
 

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Good idea Boasun. Do you know where we would find a professional and about how much they would charge for a trip like this (ballpark figure)?
 

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Delivery Captain is probably gonna want $2 a mile, + airfare home, & any food, fuel or other boat expenses. They are like sharks however in that if they stop moving they die, they will want to make the trip as fast as possible. He may want to bring his own crewman, sometimes "volunteer" crew gets sick or are otherwise unable to assist to the extent necessary.
 

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When you pick your professional... spend a couple of days to discover his/her personality.
You want someone who is responsible and yet relaxed in his/her own skin to where they are instructive and NOT over bearing. For a start.
I look at this from the other angle. I pick the best qualified captain can singled handed to take the boat north. If he is ugly with a bad personalty, who cares. It is not like I am going marry him and have a baby with him. :)

Likewise, I am constantly looking for different captains to sail with. If I can learn something from him or from the experience, it is all worthwhile. It makes me more adaptable. If I can show his a better way and control him, I will become a better leader. This the survival skills that will carry me through life.

Smooth sailing through ocean or in life is not always the best. I am just sayin' :)
 

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Denise,
As you have 2 discussions going about this trip, would I be correct in guessing you are more then apprehensive and bordering on a phobia about making the trip? I'm on the East coast so I really am clueless about the trip but it seems both cities mentioned have more then enough resources for you to research and connect with. Is there a time constraint? Would it not be good to connect with an ocean going group, club, or people in your area, or crew on other boats? Possibly there are people planning the same trip or part of the same trip and you can be buddy boats?

Asking advice here on this forum will get you lots of input but it seems sometimes input is given to "scare" newbies. Knowledge and preparation are the key minimizing unreasonable and imagined difficulties of course. And it takes time to find your comfort level. In a year you may giggle when you think about things that terrify you now. Hell, here in the mid Atlantic area they've tried to convince me sailing Delaware bay is more life threatening then sailing up the Jersey coast.
 

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Thanks. That's good to know.

Denise,
Excellent advice. I wouldn't say I'm bordering on a phobia but I am definitely apprehensive. We want to get all the knowledge we can before we fully make this decision and start planning this trip.

I see your point about the newbie scare though. If I ask people at my marina, they seem to say, "good luck" and "that should be fun" but when I ask people here, they seem to err on the side of caution. However, the scares are helpful and keep me realistic; otherwise, I'd be too willing to just go where the wind takes me. :)

You suggested we get in touch with other crews making a similar passage. What a fabulous idea. We will be in Seattle until the second week of June for work, but once we decide we will definitely sail it, we'll get in contact with some yacht clubs and online groups in the San Diego area. The more the merrier (and safer).

Rockdawg,
I remember living with some oddballs in college and I had to grow up and adapt in order to make it work, so you may just have a point there. However, as a high school teacher, I am pretty adept at commanding some strong (and occasionally oppositional) personalities :).

Thanks again everyone,
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Bluewatergirl, Sailing the boat north would be a great experience. If you really have the time and inclination to do it, can afford a delivery Captain to go with you, and can afford to make your new boat sea-worthy for the trip, go for it.

However, there is a lot to consider. The Oregon and Washington coast can be really nasty in bad weather. The problem is that if the weather is really bad, many of the ports on the coast can be impossible or too dangerous to enter. Given this, you need a good weather window.

My $10k estimate for shipping is just a rough guess. If you can yours can decommission the boat, then commission it on this end, you would save a lot of money. OTOH, you can easily get a quote from a local yard in SD as to what the cost would be to decommission the boat, and check with local yards and riggers here to do the commissioning. I could have done it cheaper, but time was a real issue for me and I decided to go with yards and riggers that I had a lot of confidence in. If I spent an extra boat buck in the process, it was worth it to me. You may be able to do it cheaper.

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One way of doing this trip and propably the way I would go if I had to sail it would be two long tacks.

Tack 1 San Diego to Hawaii

Tack 2 Hawaii to Pudget sound.

But I still think the I5 is favourite.
 

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I tend to agree with TQA, going north is a long uphill slog on the west coast. I haven't done it but if you look at prevailing winds and currents along the coast you are going to be beating into wind and waves all the way so you will probably be motoring, a lot.
The boat trucking companies are hurting so you should be able to cut a pretty good deal. My son got a quote of $9500 from NC to Anacortes, not including yard expenses at each end. It shouldn't be more than a thousand at each end of the trip. It is a lot of work to prepare the boat for transport though, you would want to be there and do it yourself if you choose this route. Everything has to be secured, and you should wrap winches, etc in plastic wrap and duct tape, and the entire mast should be bubble wrapped and plastic wrapped and cushioned with carpet rems where it contacts the trailer.
Don't underestimate the trip from SD to JDFuca, a lot of people have started and turned around after realizing that it's going to take forever (well, that might be an exaggeration:))
 

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Denise,
Hell, here in the mid Atlantic area they've tried to convince me sailing Delaware bay is more life threatening then sailing up the Jersey coast.
Dear Lady,
It Is!
Bottom structure makes for some white knuckle wave heights and shapes.
Friend was on a 44' Pilot Boat that got slammed and wound up being spun around 180 degrees.

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I remember living with some oddballs in college and I had to grow up and adapt in order to make it work, so you may just have a point there. However, as a high school teacher, I am pretty adept at commanding some strong (and occasionally oppositional) personalities :).

Thanks again everyone,
Denise
Adapting to an oddball or problematic personality in a college dorm where you can take a walk or go to a movie for a break is an entirely different thing from being literally trapped aboard the small space that is a boat at sea - even if it is your own boat.

The advice you've been getting from west coasters and other experienced ocean sailors has a pretty common theme. TQA's 'two tack' suggestion is not a joke (though you'll probably have to flip to port tack at some point on the second leg to lay Juan de Fuca - so it might be 3 tacks overall ;)) - or just do two tacks, explore Alaska and the BC coast on your way back to Puget Sound.....

We know two sets of friends that recently made that trip going South.. even that was cold and miserable (in July/August) until you get as far south as the California border. My own experience on a similar leg to Northern Cali in July was the same.

All the harbours between Juan de Fuca and San Fran are not foul weather entries - if/when you need the shelter most you won't be able to get in without significant risk. (Google 'columbia bar' for some insight)

I suspect that given the odds of waiting for weather windows and the generally slow progress heading northwest, the route via Hawaii may be just as quick, esp if you don't dawdle there (though why wouldn't you??)

Tough call.... it's going to cost you something either way. Best of luck.
 

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SOme friends just bought a 49' Kroger? granted a power boat, ment for ocean work........but it is coming to Victoria BC via boat, ala a dry dock BIG boat, your boat floats on, the BIG boat drydocks, then away the boat goes. It was about the same as trucking, IRC it will be up here about late June or July.

Might look at that option, no rig decommissioning, Recommission up here etc.

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Marty just reminded me... one of the couples I mentioned that went south a few years back are, as we 'type', placing their Passport 40 on a ship in La Paz to bring it back to BC. Having done the trip down, and deciding that ocean crossing was not on their 'to do' list, clearly sailing back home wasn't either.
 

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In my humble opinion, I would just plan well. I think you could do the trip by yourselves. Make two plans. One plan for everything going perfectly and one for if it all goes wrong. If the weather is going to turn ugly, then you have a backup plan. For example, I'm bringing a boat from Chicago to South Haven on Lake Michigan. I plan on making one stop, however, because it's an untested boat (and you are an untested crew), I know which ports are on the way that I can stop at, just in case. The nice thing about the Pacific is that it's fairly consistent. My wife and I have sailed quite a bit around San Diego all the way up to LA. We enjoy the Pacific. Hope for the best, plan for the worst and you'll be fine.
 

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I had a boat shipped from Kemah, Tx to Maryland two months ago. The boat is still sitting in the boatyard awaiting recommissioning. The quotes for getting the boat ready to ship was way off,or the selling broker just flat out lied to me, it cost twice as much to prep. The shipment cost me $5K and who knows how much recommissioning will cost me. I disagree with hiring a captain will cost the same as shipping. If I were you I would hire a captain and go with him. You will be a pro by the time you arrive at your destination.
 

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We shipped our 40' sailboat from San Diego to Conn. last August. The shipping was about 10k, the yard bill in San Diego was about 2.5k, the yard did all the work, and about 1k on this end. I did most of the work when the boat arrived here.
You didn't mention the age of the boat and if it' new to you. Something to think about if this boat is new to you. My boat passed it's survey w/ flying colors and almost every system failed in the first month once we started using it here. I'm still working on correcting problems. systems failing offshore would turn the trip into a learning experiance you won't enjoy.
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