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I should add that this only works for small $$$ amount boat sales and the like


if your buying a 100k boat and saying its costing only 5k your soon to be in trouble...well sort of jajaja

salvage vessels and abandoned vessels usually dont apply and sold as is, per bill of sale will clear confusion

but I agree dont go boldly lying

in the ops case Im not really understanding the big problem really, its really easy to buy a boat in ca, go to dmv and pay your small fee...pink slip a few weeks later and your good to travel...

if you sail over to hawaii check what hawaii dmv does with out of state boats and what it costs to transfer title over

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Again, I don't know CA, but here you are required to provide an affidavit from the seller that you truly purchased below market. Therefore, the seller is also subject to fraud and highly unlikely to agree to pretend they weren't paid more.
 

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well I can see where it would be fraud if you as a seller are overstating the price...

guess it works both ways

I guess I was also implying that the dmv doesnt no jack squat when it comes to boat values...

so there is no real way to enforce what the "value" is on sailboats in this case...its really not feasible I think

but 7 boats or so I have had now all in califiornia well except my current one every time I go register it its common knowleadge you undervalue it...

in fact at the dmv they would tell me something along the lines of you dont have to say what it really costs etc...

just sayin

same thing out or "dmv" down here....the tellers are usually put whatever price you want on there and get out of my face! jajaja
 

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I think more important than taxes do you have someplace to put it when you get to HI? I have heard nothing but headaches of people trying to find a slip. I have family on Maui, and would LOVE to move there and liveabord. But it sounds like a very unfriendly boating environment.
 

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In California you will pay use tax on boat unless it is sold by a dealer that has a sellers permit and then he collects sales tax. The DMV will charge you the use tax and it does not matter where you use the boat. the dmv does not have a sellers permit so they can not charge you sales tax, they collect the use tax for the BOE. buy the boat and document it with the HI address. stay away from the DMV. if CA wants there tax they will send you the bill and the first bill will not have any penalties if you pay it on time
FAQ - Use Tax on Purchases of Vehicles, Vessels, Aircraft - Board of Equalization
 

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Overboard..... Great link. It clearly says that Use Tax is also due on documented vessels.

.........purchasers of aircraft or documented vessels from any person other than a person required to hold a seller's permit by reason of the number, scope, and character of the person's sales of documented vessels or of aircraft, as the case may be and not otherwise specifically exempt shall report and pay tax to the board.

http://www.boe.ca.gov/lawguides/business/current/btlg/vol1/sutr/1610.html
However, you are exempt under this circumstance......

However, a purchaser is not required to pay California use tax if the only use of the vehicle purchased from a private party in California is to remove it from the state and it will be used solely thereafter outside this state.

Ref: http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub52.pdf
The nuance is what they define as use. I would assume taking her for a sail is use. I still wonder if keeping her on the hard until removed from the state is considered use.
 

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The CA personnel responsible for collecting use taxes are a lot more expert at tax evasion than any SN posters. So to the OP, if you buy the boat in CA pay the 8% use tax immediately and enjoy your new purchase, or buy the boat in HI.

Even if you fudge a bill of sale, attempts to hide the value can run aground on the USCG Bill of Sale, your insurance policy's declared value, plus if any financing is involved. For example, I believe the USCG B/S is a public document and you will need to provide a copy of your insurance binder to any CA yard or marina you enter.

Failure to pay promptly (based on the purchase date) will result in assessment of penalties and interest, which start accumulating on the use tax due date, not when CA discovers your debt.

A personal experience - back in the mid-90s while a MN resident I paid off a four year old MA demand for a use tax for a boat I hadn't owned for six years, one purchased in ME while I was a MA resident. MA discovered my name in a audit of the builder. MA had no evidence I ever brought the boat to MA, their attitude was I had to prove that I had not... Eventually I used my out-of-state remoteness to get the state to waive the penalty and interest in return for the tax. Otherwise it was getting dicey even to return to MA for vacation...
 

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I would most definitely not suggest evading a tax that is due. However, I believe the original poster's question was about buying a boat in CA, as a resident of HI, and not having CA sales/use tax become due. There may be some circumstances in which this is the case, but I'd strongly suggest getting the info from the horses's mouth so to speak, ie the tax franchises of HI and CA.
 

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This is an interesting paragraph from Minnewaska's link :

"For a purchaser to qualify for the exemption from use tax, title (ownership) and possession of the vehicle or vessel must transfer to the purchaser outside of California. When a purchaser exercises control over the vehicle or vessel in California prior to the planned out-of-state delivery, ownership transfers to the purchaser in California. Therefore, if any person other than the seller, or an agent acting on behalf of the seller, delivers the vehicle or vessel from California to the purchaser at an out-of-state location, ownership transfers to the purchaser in California, and California use tax applies. For example, if a purchaser asks a friend or hires a common carrier to deliver the pr operty from California to him or herself at an out-of-state location, use tax applies."

It seems you can't even hire a delivery crew.
 

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.....It seems you can't even hire a delivery crew.
Having purchased several boats and aircraft in other states, I can say that is a very strict application of the out of state exemption. In most cases, you simply need to remove the property from the state. The only stress I've ever had is that some State's make a deadline very clear, while others use vague language like "immediately" remove and you don't really know if you complied.

It would seem that CA intends to aggressively collect their use tax. Buyer beware.
 

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You can usually find out both the right way the wrong way and the grey way to deal with taxes by talking to an active broker in the state you have in mind.

Even if you are interested in a private sail their is no reason you can't talk to a broker and give him a shot at selling you a one of his boats. He may get lucky you never know. During that discussion ask about the taxes.

Talking to the taxing authority would authoritative but they will not give you any creative ideas.
 

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The OP states "keep the boat until next Summer (full year) in CA and sail it" That is use in California. He does not want to pay the tax but he wants to use the CA facilities. Pay the tax! Who should pay for the breakwater maintenance, the dredging, the bouys, the harbor patrol,... If it is too expensive at Marina Del Rey, buy it elsewhere and maintain it elsewhere. Buy the boat in Nevada to avoid the ax; of course there are problems with that.
 

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Catching up.

First, not a full year, I was stating next summer, I meant THIS summer, I.e. 3-4 months.
My bad.
As out off state resident, it is legal to do an offshore delivery, keep the boat less than 6 months in CA and move it out of the state. I won't discuss if this is fair or not for Californian tax payers, but it is legal.
CA brokers seem to be used to offshore deliveries, it looks like common practices.

Sidetrack: you can moore your boat on the west side, in Lahaina. It can be tricky as any mooring, but if you pay attention, it is safe and feasible.
 

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6 months!?! I'm surprised to hear that California allows you 6 months to move your boat before you have to pay use tax on a purchase. Of all the states that charge a use tax on the sale/purchase of a boat, this is the first that I have heard of that allows more than 3 months. I have to wonder, are you sure about that?
 
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