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Since my Cascade 29 has an outboard auxillary with limited charging capabilities (10amp) I have to come up with a way to charge batteries (2-3 gell cells using a 30amp charger) while sailing and run a few appliances. I'd like to be able to run a small low watt microwave for boiling water and maybe a few other small appliances/tools from time to time while at anchor and possibly underway so I have been considering a small portable 1000watt gas powered generator.

I am aware of the dangers involved with having a low flashpoint fuel such as gasoline on board but since the auxillary is gas powered (New Yamaha 9.9 High Thrust) I figured I may as well stick with the same fuel for the generator also since I will already have gasoline on board.

The boat has a watertight lazeraette compartment in the stern I plan to store the gas tanks and generator in. Of course the generator will have to come out to be used and be sufficiently cooled down before returnig it to this area (suppose i could put it in another lazzeratte if this location turns out to be a bad idea).

Anyway, is there anyone else out there doing this or thinking about it? Am I nuts for even considering this? I have considered solar, wind and even hydro but don't want to invest the type of money needed for this type of equipment right now, maybe in a few years but autopilot, radar and a chartplotter are first in line.
 

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There have been many threads in the past about this process. Besides the obvious kaboom issues you have other constraints:
1. You can not use the generator when under sail and not likely at a dock only at anchor.
2. It is not made for marine use and may not last as long as you would like although some people have reported several years service.
3. You need a good one (honda) so the noise is not a factor
4. You do not want to run it while you are sleeping. You may not wake up.
5. It is a major target for theft.
 

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Yes, I had considered the issues you have mentioned. Wonder how long the little honda or yamaha would last in a saltwater environment? Why wouldn't I be able to use it underway though? I figured as long as weather conditions weren't bad i might be able to get away with running it under sail...

Oh yeah, I had planned to make a deck mount for it when it was in use.
 

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I have a Honda 2000. I have been using it fo 3 years. It runs great, starts on the first or second pull. I have used it many times while sailing. I use it to charge batteries, make ice cubes and cook on a small one burner stove.
I also run a shopvac and power tools with it.
 

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I have a Honda 1000 (wanted a 2000 but the vented overboard locker I made for it could only barely fit the 1000 and the gas for it and for the dingy outboard). It is now in its second year and works fine. I have used it underway but primarily use it at the mooring when working with tools that require 110. Just remember to shut it off by turning off the fuel switch to keep the carburator clean. Be careful and you should be fine.
 

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I too am curious about the comment
can not use the generator when under sail
I do not see the logic behind this. Securely fastened on deck in a CALM sea, exhaust pointed away from the cockpit; what is the problem?<O:p</O:p
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And BTW, those Honda generators are well worth the extra dollars you pay for them. Not that we have one (yet), but I have seen and heard them in use and they are far and above so much more quieter than any of the other less expensive brands/models<O:p</O:p
 

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And BTW, those Honda generators are well worth the extra dollars you pay for them. Not that we have one (yet), but I have seen and heard them in use and they are far and above so much more quieter than any of the other less expensive brands/models<O:p</O:p
Agreed. I have a diesel generator, but have seen those little Hondas in action. They are quiet, efficient, and powerful. Good product.

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My research has convinced me that the 2000 is a great unit my problem is how many surge A/C BTU's can it handle on start up ? ( first reply-am I in the right forum? Just posted my first question in the "Intro. yourself Forum )Cheers!
 

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My research has convinced me that the 2000 is a great unit my problem is how many surge A/C BTU's can it handle on start up ? ( first reply-am I in the right forum? Just posted my first question in the "Intro. yourself Forum )Cheers!
You're going to be tripping at right around 17 amps of draw.
 

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I have the small Yamaha and it's run great. It's also light and quiet.

All the concern about gasoline is misplaced in my opinion. You've only to look at all those gas-powered boats out there, which last I looked...seriously outnumbered sailboats, to know that it can be run safely.

The real concern and far more likely to occur safety issue is one of electrocution. It would be a good idea to have a GFI on the gen-set output. They're cheap enough to acquire at the Home Marina. I'd guess that you're going to dip an extension cord in the water before you blow yourself up.
 

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I think the comments on "don't / Can't be use while sailing" are probably due to the 2000's instruction manual which says to keep it level.

Have no reason to believe it can't be used while doing anything it is just a safety factor. Depending on how much rail you wash or the degree of inclination a big wake or unexpected wave can cause you would be a factor in how safe it would be.

Personally, I prefer my Solar Cells while underway and the little 1000 I often borrow when I have a need for power tools or to make up for overcast days occasionally at anchor. I'll probably pick up a 2000 this next year for on the hook use when the sun isn't cooperating but that is normally just a short term condition in the Caribbean.
 

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We have a Honda 2000 (quiet)on our 37 Irwin CC. It is used for heating the hot water tank as I havent gotten it hooked up to the heat exchanger yet. Before the 2000 had a Coleman 1750 (noisy) for years. Started out on our 30 Hunter with it 15 years ago or so. Same reason plus for a battery charger if we sat at anchor too long and ran the battries dead. Can't afford a desiel generator and have to have gas on board anyway for the dinghy motor. We are just careful with it as always.
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You're going to be tripping at right around 17 amps of draw.
That is bang on for kicking off my MarineAir 12,000 BTU heatpump/air conditioner. The Honda 2000 can't quite do it (or I am under the impression 13 amps is about the limit).

However, you can gang together two of 'em and pretty well replicate shore power!

EDIT: By the way, because I'm refitting on land this year, my Honda 2000's at work in the garage. I used it today to run an 8 amp angle grinder and it handled that easily. Started on the first pull, etc. My use of it ashore bodes well for use offshore, as it can handle a useful combo like a worklight and an orbital sander easily.
 

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I too am curious about the comment I do not see the logic behind this. Securely fastened on deck in a CALM sea, exhaust pointed away from the cockpit; what is the problem?<O:p</O:p
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No problem at all in the above situation.
I have a tendency to worry about extra stuff going on as I often sail by myself so my take on the situation may not apply to everyone. I figured recommending caution to a new poster couldn't hurt.

So I'm visualizing:
  • Wind picking up quickly and I have to decide to stow the generator or reef the sail first.
  • I pick up wave over the bow and it washes over my shiny new generator.
  • It decides to rain suddenly
(This is from the manual)
Using a generator or electrical appliance in wet conditions, such as
rain or snow, or near a pool or sprinkler system, or when your hands

are wet, could result in electrocution. Keep the generator dry.
  • A sheet gets hung on on it some how.
  • It runs out of fuel and I'm trying to re-fuel and sail at the same time and do something stupid.
In short in the right conditions with the right setup and the right boat sailing and generating my be fine.


When someone asks a question in a public forum I'm inclined to steer them to the safer option.

Those of you who have the Honda and use them underway.
How do they behave on a non-level surface?
Does bouncing from seas have any effect?

I know some people rig external gravity feed fuel tanks too, how does that change the behavior of the unit in seas.





 

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That is bang on for kicking off my MarineAir 12,000 BTU heatpump/air conditioner. The Honda 2000 can't quite do it (or I am under the impression 13 amps is about the limit).
I don't know how to do it exactly but if you add a capacitor to your AC unit it will cover the start surge without a problem.

This is my plan when I get that far down the list.
 

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OK I have made up my mind. I am going with the yamaha 1000 watt generator. I am going to have a custom made aluminum case/box made for the generator that will double as a seat on the transom. I figure as long as it is vented properly, insulated for sound and has a hole for where the exhaust will be "aimed" it should work out well. The idea is to give the unit some protection from the elements and quiet it down even more. I also plan to remove the generator each time I am away from the boat (to hopefully further decrease the units exposure to the salt water environment).

Even thought about installing the shore power plug near the location of the generator so I could use another 3 prong shore power outlet that will be mounted on the side of the box. I figure I could make an approx 3' long power cord that I could use to plug one end into the generator box and the other into the shore power receptacle thus having a water proof means of connecting the generator to the boats shorepower system.

To elaborate even a little further on this idea I have considered making a second box of equal size which would be mounted next to the generator box for installing a vented propane locker. Again this box would have a quick release or screw on attatchment which would run a single LPG line to the bulk head mounted heater in the cabin.

I suppose the idea would be to provide safe and secure places for these items and also offer seating out of the way of the cockpit area in the back of the boat at the same time. I had planned on making a bench in this area anyway which would be nice for getting crew out of the relatively small cockpit and away from the sheets, tiller and autopilot for those that wish to just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Anyone have any input here, pos or neg? I allways appreciate another sailors point of view...
 
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