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I have allways been an advocate of the 2nd ammendment and believe in the right to personal protection. Of course depending upon where you are cruising having a weapon on board may be more trouble than it is worth (unfortunately) in countries where freedom and the rights of private citizens mean nothing to thier governments.

I personally like the idea of having a weapon on board for personal defense so I have a stainless .38 (usefull for dipatching large halibut) and an 870 Marine magnum (usefull for dipatching 2 legged predators). The 870 will also come in handy for the trip to AK I plan to take sometime in the future. In fact I have had someone go as far as climb on board my boat and open the companionway hatch at which point I made it clear if they didn't leave now they never would.

Anyway, this is more of a "I wonder who else packs" type of question than an attempt to impose my personal/political views. I strongly believe that those who are uncomfortable or incapable of safely handling weapons should not have anything to do with them untill someone has schooled them on safe handling anyway.

So who's packing what?
 

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Well - I know what you'll say about this, (obvious from your statements) but carrying a weapon MAY keep people from stealing your extra boxes of corn-flakes (upon pain of death - GULP!), but it MAY get you locked up by the (legitamate) authorities in most countries in Europe (and probably the world, but who's counting,) in addition your cries of "give me liberty or give me death!" while awaiting sentencing in the brig WILL NOT be viewed favorably by the local populations - whom are not the "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" you envision them to be.
The whole second amendment thing is an anathema to most of the world, and the attitude of Gun-Toting-Americans is either viewed as frieghtening, or laughable, usually both.
The fact is - people in other countries don't WANT everyone to own guns. (Read: THEY...not their governments, whom are democratically elected in elections arguably freeer than our own.) If people at the marina in Corsica find out you're packing, they will avoid you, probably report you and will view you as a nutty criminal, not a patriot.
The continuing gun-debate in the US is an American issue. When visiting OTHER countries, it is US who impose on THEM when we disrespect their laws. So - if you go somewhere where a gun in private ownership is illegal, or you do not have the permits to carry it - then please leave it at home.

And before you think I'm an anti-gun zealot, recognize that I do own guns (which I left at home in SC when I moved here) , and I do think people should be allowed to own them. I just don't care for the emotion, politics, and hollywood theatrics of the modern American disscussion surrounding them.
 

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Before you guys go too far on this thread, you should probably search for the several other gun threads that already exist and read them thoroughly end to end. Most points have already been made, many insults have been thrown, and at least one person has been asked to stop contributing to the forum.

So tread lightly.
 

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Before you guys go too far on this thread, you should probably search for the several other gun threads that already exist and read them thoroughly end to end. Most points have already been made, many insults have been thrown, and at least one person has been asked to stop contributing to the forum.

So tread lightly.
Very true (although to my knowledge no one was asked to leave).

So I agree, let's not turn this into a 2nd amendment debate.

The only thing I'll add is that there ARE places in Alaska and Canada where it would be foolish to venture ashore WITHOUT a gun. A lot of folks who limit their travels to "civilization" don't seem to realize this.
 

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Oh dear. Here we go. I should know better........I should walk away......but......

Anyway, this is more of a "I wonder who else packs" type of question than an attempt to impose my personal/political views.
Oh really didn't you open your post with this??

Of course depending upon where you are cruising having a weapon on board may be more trouble than it is worth (unfortunately) in countries where freedom and the rights of private citizens mean nothing to thier governments.
I am a citizen of one of those 'countries'. You may of heard of us......we have the Kangaroos and the BBQ shrimp - although people often get us confused with Austria. Now please don't presume to speak on behalf of our freedoms and rights, because for what it is worth the vast majority of our citizens are very happy with Australia's stance on firearms.
 

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Well - I know what you'll say about this, (obvious from your statements) but carrying a weapon MAY keep people from stealing your extra boxes of corn-flakes (upon pain of death - GULP!), but it MAY get you locked up by the (legitamate) authorities in most countries in Europe (and probably the world, but who's counting,) in addition your cries of "give me liberty or give me death!" while awaiting sentencing in the brig WILL NOT be viewed favorably by the local populations - whom are not the "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" you envision them to be.
The whole second amendment thing is an anathema to most of the world, and the attitude of Gun-Toting-Americans is either viewed as frieghtening, or laughable, usually both.
The fact is - people in other countries don't WANT everyone to own guns. (Read: THEY...not their governments, whom are democratically elected in elections arguably freeer than our own.) If people at the marina in Corsica find out you're packing, they will avoid you, probably report you and will view you as a nutty criminal, not a patriot.
The continuing gun-debate in the US is an American issue. When visiting OTHER countries, it is US who impose on THEM when we disrespect their laws. So - if you go somewhere where a gun in private ownership is illegal, or you do not have the permits to carry it - then please leave it at home.

And before you think I'm an anti-gun zealot, recognize that I do own guns (which I left at home in SC when I moved here) , and I do think people should be allowed to own them. I just don't care for the emotion, politics, and hollywood theatrics of the modern American disscussion surrounding them.
I have been on sailnet a long time as well as other forums know all about the other gun threads...however for once wouldn't it just be nice if someone could just reply to what the man asked? He simply asked to respond if you carried a gun aboard or not and specifically said did not want to discuss the politics of it. If he wanted to hear someone's opinion on views of America, Europeans (and I guess your qualified to speak for all of Europe and especially the entire marina of Corsica?), other countries laws, and your personal opinions on the subject, or why you moved where, he could have just sat back and read the hundreds of the posts on the threads that have been started to discuss the politics of it. So please do us a favor and chime out.

A simple no I do not carry guns on board would have sufficed.

I own a rifle but I do not carry it on board for myself.
 

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I have no plans to visit foreign waters in the near future, but weighing the remote possiblity of a "ballistic emergency" against the certainty of having to check into whatever foreign country you visit, I'd err on the side of of the law, even if I disagree with them. Based on the experinences of others, it seems you're far more likely to be vicimized by goverment officials for having a means of self defense, than you are to need the means of self defense. It sux either way, but the odds of having a problem with the law are higher in my estimation and the consequences may be as bad or worse than being robbed.

Its interesting that I've never felt the need to have any of my many firearms aboard the boat. In fact the only reason I might ever have one on board is because I do often carry when traveling and I wouldn't want to leave a firearm in the car. I've traveled the US pretty widely on my Harley and carried a 9mm Khar K9 or .45 cal 1911 every inch of the way, including in juristictions that would throw me under the jail for having the audacity to posses a means of self defense. However, I always felt far more exposed on the bike than I do when on the boat and felt the risk of running afoul of the law was less than the risk of an encounter with some nefarious sort in that case. Everyone that believes in the right of self defense will have to do their own calculus to weigh the risks and take their chances. I believe the laws should not deny the right of self defense but the fact is they do in large measure and carry or not you are taking on a level of risk.

Just a final note about shooting into the water, its a dangerous activity because bullets can skip and travel long distances. There have been cases of people on shore being killed by a ricochet from someone shooting rifles at targets in the water. I can't see much of a reason to be shooting at fish or other targets on the water.
 

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Now Pain, where is your sense of fun??

What we need is a thread about someone wanting to circumnavigate in a bluewater production yacht for under 2k preferably a Tartan, who will be 'packing heat' around the globe, his boat complete with Solarstik on the Pushpit, 18 Epirbs for when he runs out of ice and a picture of Obama on one side of the Cabintop and dear Smack on the other :)
 

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Now Pain, where is your sense of fun??

What we need is a thread about someone wanting to circumnavigate in a bluewater production yacht for under 2k preferably a Tartan, who will be 'packing heat' around the globe, his boat complete with Solarstik on the Pushpit, 18 Epirbs for when he runs out of ice and a picture of Obama on one side of the Cabintop and dear Smack on the other :)
Don't forget the Ronca and Manson Supreme.
 

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for once wouldn't it just be nice if someone could just reply to what the man asked? He simply asked to respond if you carried a gun aboard or not and specifically said did not want to discuss the politics of it. ,
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See for me he kinda negated that request when he made the following obviously political, obviously inflamatory statement...

Of course depending upon where you are cruising having a weapon on board may be more trouble than it is worth (unfortunately) in countries where freedom and the rights of private citizens mean nothing to thier governments.
You can't say something like that and then add but I don't want to get into the politics of it............I mean please.

No I don't carry a firearm. It would be legally difficult/impossible here. If I was cruising internationally, I would think hard about vessel security but there are other safety issues that would concern me a great deal more.
 

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OH my god!!! Now I am more afraid on you DOCRN than the pirates. You forget to add in your arsenal some granades and rocket lunchers, "dispacht halibut" whats that????

I hope I dont see you in the trades men,.
 

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In international waters you may only carry armament aboard that your vessel's flag allows. Thus grenades and rocket launchers are out for most cruisers (although I must admit that I'm a Class III dealer and could purchase aforementioned grenades - but legally only keep them on a US flagged vessel).
Thus, when travelling internationally, you will not only need to declare such when entering other countries, but may also be asked to legitimate your possession of such.
 

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I am a citizen of one of those 'countries'. You may of heard of us......we have the Kangaroos and the BBQ shrimp - although people often get us confused with Austria. Now please don't presume to speak on behalf of our freedoms and rights, because for what it is worth the vast majority of our citizens are very happy with Australia's stance on firearms.
We in the USA do not think it is very sporting to harvest shrimp for BBQ with shotguns, As I heard it's done down under.:D
 
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