Good suggestion on calling PSC and seeing if they have recommendations. I have called Whitlock (now Lewmar) on steering and B&G on drive unit. Some support but a lot of putting the pieces together for one's self.
The gudgeon is the heavy piece of bronze at the bottom of the skeg that supports the rudder. In the drawing, it is the small rectangle at the bottom of the rudder. It should have a zinc on it. The hole is in the bottom of the gudgeon. It may be a bit larger than a pencil, but it's pretty easy to insert a grease gun and inject grease all around.Is this the gudgeon (red arrow pointing to it). If so, approximately where is the small hole I can add lubricant to?
So this seemed like a very promising direction. However, I called PSC and chatted with Thumper and he suggested there was no hole in the bottom of the gudgeon for grease to be squirted into. He asked I take pics of the rudder when out of the water to confirm the bushings between the top and bottom of rudder were still in place. I took the pics and sent to him. Nonetheless, the bushings looked fine.There is a small hole at the bottom of the gudgeon that you can squirt grease into with a grease gun. Initially it won't do much, but the grease will eventually work its way down the shaft lubricating it.
I need to look at mine again, as I said I have the same pedestal, is this a ball bearing at the base or a bronze bushing? Regardless if it's that rough grease alone might not do the job, some seizing or galling might have taken over. Please post conclusion when you find it.So this seemed like a very promising direction. However, I called PSC and chatted with Thumper and he suggested there was no hole in the bottom of the gudgeon for grease to be squirted into. He asked I take pics of the rudder when out of the water to confirm the bushings between the top and bottom of rudder were still in place. I took the pics and sent to him. Nonetheless, the bushings looked fine.
Just to be clear, the noise is when we are not moving, just turning the wheel. When we are moving too many other noises to distinguish this one. But very clear rubbing, scraping when we move the wheel at dock. And quite stiff steering.
Getting back to Thumper's recommendation thus far, the grease nipple at the bottom of the steering pedestal is a likely problem point. Very hard to get to and really just a hole not a grease nipple per se (I will try to attach a pic of it). So maybe at least part of the problem??? On the other hand the rudder pole (not sure of correct name) is a very interesting possibility.
I will try to connect with Thumper this week and get further input and post accordingly.
BTW, thank you sailnet.com buddies and PSC owners! Once our equipment is older it takes a village to figure this stuff out! No longer mechanics that are familiar or tech support lines that care, etc. Really appreciate the ideas and conversation.
Never mind - I just noticed you have a different pedestal - no wonder i didn't recognize that part...Thanks for the update. Where was the picture of the grease nipple taken? Is that from inside the boat looking up at the pedestal? I grease the various bearings in the pedestal every year, but don't know about a grease nipple at the bottom of the pedestal. There is a small hole in the bottom of the gudgeon (at least on my boat), although squirting in grease may not have been its intended purpose originally.
There is a hole in the bottom of the lower gudgeon of my PSC34.So this seemed like a very promising direction. However, I called PSC and chatted with Thumper and he suggested there was no hole in the bottom of the gudgeon for grease to be squirted into.
You must be greasing what I call the shaft log, the top where it penetrates the hull. I think technically the "Gudgeon" is at the bottom on your rudder and is a small area, and (I think) would not hold any grease. My skeg hung rudder had the equivalent to your Gudgeon and its up high, where a spade would have no other bearing than in the hull. Now that this thread came up, I need to look at how my rudder bearing is made, in a following sea the quadrant will be below the water line and whatever bearing is in there would let some water in especially if worn. Not to hijack but I'm pretty sure I have a hard plastic or teflon sleeve in the area you are greasing on your rudder and again the Gudgeon does not get grease its completely underwater and usually a pretty small surface and surely if you got grease in there it wouldn't last, so basically a wet Bronze to stainless surface. I see it loosening before seizing or galling, but I have never seen either one so, I defer to someone who knows more.The waterproof grease needs to be added when the boat is out of the water, preferably on a warm day (although heat can be added with a torch) so that the grease works its way in to the mating surfaces between the rudder post and the gudgeon. I always did this whenever I hauled out: lots of grease and lots of working the rudder back and forth. If you add it when the boat is in the water (diving down), the grease will just float to the surface inside the shaft (waterline).