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Hey everyone. Sure is quiet around here. Pretty sure most of you aren't out sailing today. Brrr.

I'm going to step up and start the dream machine to help keep people's minds off of the freezing rain.

Assume for a moment that:

* You and your spouse or best buddy have spent some time sailing in southern Lake Michigan and it was nice, but...

* You and your spouse or best buddy have spent some time sailing in western Lake Erie visiting the Bass Islands / Kelley's Island / wineries / crystal cave and it was nice, but...

* You've often said, "Someday, when I get the time, I'm going to spend the whole summer exploring Superior, Apostles, Huron, North Channel, etc. etc."

* Someday has come. By some miracle you've retired healthy, financially stable, and owning a 32' sailboat, w/4.5' draft. Assuming you were to start mid-May (+/-) in southern Lake Michigan and expected to end mid-September in the south eastern Great Lakes (more or less), possibly to bring the boat south down the ICW for the winter, but so far undecided on that), what would be your route, what places are do-not-miss?

This is not a brain teaser requiring you to visit every lake, nor is it a requirement to never cross your own wake, nor is it a requirement to never visit the same place twice. However, logic still applies ... you don't want to unstep then re-step the mast on this size boat too many times; beating to weather still sucks; summer doldrums still suck; bugs still suck.

As I wrote, you've already done western Erie and it was nice, real nice even, but perception is that there is far more to enjoy up in Superior, Green Bay, Traverse City, Mackinac, Georgian Bay, etc. Tell me if I'm wrong.

So, for example, totally bypassing Lake Erie is acceptable. Maybe pulling the mast to take the Trent-Severn from Georgian Bay to Lake Ontario is a good idea, especially since the mast would have to come down anyway to take the Erie Canal out, if the plan were to be continued down the ICW in the fall.

You prefer quiet coves, scenic vistas, clear water, swimming, good food, but don't have too much use for festivals and social gatherings. Obviously you don't need to maintain a very strict timetable, but you want to put together an overall plan to hit the best of the best, at the right time of summer. What sort of itinerary / routing would you suggest?

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To me, the absolute best GL cruising is the north & east shores of Lake Superior. This is the Canadians shores, but it’s not a nationalist thing. It’s just that the south and western shores, outside of the Bayfield/Apostles and Isle Royale, aren’t all that interesting to me.

For rugged beauty, for wild and remote anchorages, for mostly untouched wilderness, for solitude and wildlife, and for big water sailing, it’s hard to find a match for the north (and east) shores anywhere outside of areas like Newfoundland or the PNW.

The problem you face is, it is a big area, and relatively far away from your ultimate destination of Oswego. A 32’ sailboat is not a speedster, so unless you’re really willing to put in lots of long, hard days, or a few overnight sails, the north shore might be out of reach. Anything is doable, but it’s probably not desirable.

Given my approach to cruising (read my signature line ;)), I’d probably head over to the Green Bay area first, and spend some time exploring there. Then I’d head up into the North Channel, and take the slow cruise east. If you arrive here before the end of school it will be relatively quiet. It gets a lot busier in July/mid-August.

Meander through the North Channel, then head down Georgian Bay. Take your time. Lots to see and explore here, but also more people/boats. Take the Trent. I’ve never done it (but know it quite well). It would be a fascinating float through history.

You’ll flush out in the Bay of Quinte. Personally, I’d get the mast back on there and go explore the Bay and head up into the 1000 Islands. You’re no longer in wilderness, but there’s lots of beautiful places to see, and it’s still possible to find quiet anchorages in Quinte. The 1000 Islands will be busy, but are still worth it.

From there you can head back into eastern L. Ontario, passing through the Henderson Bay area before finally making your way to Oswego.
 

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I think 4 months would be plenty of time to get up to Superior. But, maybe not leaving a ton of time to explore before heading back. I would first head to Door County. Most of the pretty harbors are on the bay side of the peninsula. Nothing much south of the Sturgeon Bay. If you actually get going by mid May, you may want to take your time to get some warmer weather before going too far north. May and September can both be a bit more frisky wind-wise. Leave Door County via Death Door Passage, and head over to the Manitou Islands, Charlevoix, and Beaver Island. Not sure if I would go to the North Channel first, or head through the locks to Superior first. If you like a slower pace, just stay in the North Channel the rest of the summer. With a good weather window you should be able to get back down to southern Lake Michigan in a 3 day passage. The winds on the lakes in the summer are more often out of the South than any other direction. However, as systems pass, you will usually have multiple days of wind from other directions.
 

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Mike,

Thanks for the good information. I was a lurker here for a while before I decided to post and really enjoy your perspective.

It looks like I may have to dedicate another summer just to Lake Superior. Not really a surprise.
 

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Mike,

Thanks for the good information. I was a lurker here for a while before I decided to post and really enjoy your perspective.

It looks like I may have to dedicate another summer just to Lake Superior. Not really a surprise.
Thanks Peter. My approach is always to go as slow as possible. I spent nearly a decade cruising the north/east shore of Lake Superior and still didn’t see it all. You could easily spend a lifetime up there. I’d still be there it is wasn’t for the winters. Dedicating a season to the area would be a great idea. Then you can take your time and get a real taste of the area.

One possibility to consider is to plan and haul out in Thunder Bay or Duluth. That way you can spend the whole season the entire short season exploring this wonderful area.

… can you tell I miss it :)
 

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If you make it to western Lake Superior the sea caves on the mainland just north of Cornucopia, Wisconsin are quite spectacular! The sea caves out in the islands are cool too, but not quite as jaw dropping as the mainland caves.

Following up on what Mike said, I believe there is some cheap haul out and storage facilities in Duluth. Some people keep boats in the Apostle Islands over summer, but take them back to Duluth for winter storage to save money.
 

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Hey PeterVV,

This is a great time to pull out the charts and dream about the upcoming season. The "season" is a key item to consider when planning if your ultimate goal is being on the Hudson and heading south before the NY Canal system closes. So begin with the end in mind and also know that our brothers to the north are a bit stricter with radios licences, holding tank lockouts and port-of-entry procedures. Make sure you know/comply with their rules before you venture into Canadian waters.

(We sail Lake Michigan out of Milwaukee and often spend our time north from a line Winthrop Harbor to South Haven.)

Now the fun stuff . . . It sounds like you tend to enjoy the local sights, sounds and flavors as you sail from here to there. Lake Michigan is dramatically different on the WI side vs MI side. The WI side has no anchorages from Chicago to Door County. Great for quick N/S travel but has limited tourist interest. The MI side can be dangerous if you are sailing to a calendar schedule and like to explore local attractions. The coastal communities on the MI side have re-invented themselves as tourist destinations for visitors from both the land and the lake. Great marina support exists from South Haven north to the Manitou's and Leland. There are quite a few places where you can drop the hook vs tied to a dock.

From Leland/Manitou's you have a choice to take a side trip over to WI and the Door County/Green Bay area. This will easily consume a week.

Grand Traverse Bay can consume nearly a week on its own if you venture south all the way to Traverse City and do touristy things.

North of Leland and Grand Traverse Bay are Beaver Island and/or the Charlevoix/Petoskey area. And then you head for the Mackinac Bridge.

A touristy trip, the length of Lake Michigan, can easily consume four or five weeks.

Things to know about Lake Michigan in general:

May . . . cold! Early June . . . unpredictable weather and often brisk temps. Quite a few places aren't open until later in the May.

Many of the municipal marinas are now operating with/through centralized reservation systems. Most of the MI side uses the MI DNR camping/boating reservation website. Many of the WI ports are using the DockWA reservation system. The days of spontaneous overnight port stops (call/radio ahead to ask for transit dock space) are just about done.

Enjoy!
 

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Thanks for the tips, everyone. I'm going to copy them into my notebook.

The where-to-end-the-summer waffling has to do with changing lifestyles. We're retiring and we already have a place in Florida where we used to go to escape the cold for a couple of weeks, especially near the holidays. Now we are planning on that being our primary residence starting next winter, but we hate the Florida summer heat even more than the Michigan winter cold. That's why we were going to spend (at least) this summer on the boat on the Great Lakes. But that is a lot longer than we are used to spending on the boat. Figured one of two things:

(1) We could be still having a blast sailing as fall arrives. In this case we would sail the boat down to Florida for the winter. The Keys, Bahamas, etc. Kinda been a dream of mine. But it would be a long way back to do another summer in the great lakes. Yet, we have to go somewhere to escape the summer heat!

(2) We could be burned out and so we would put the boat on the hard for winter '19-'20, enjoy Florida from land for a couple of months. Come spring 2020, two things again:

(A) We are ready again to sail. Do more Great Lakes.
(B) We are still burned out, sell the boat.

I guess the answer is to get started and see what happens.
 

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Side trip...

Torch Lake (East of Grand Traverse Bay) seems interesting. It looks like it may be possible to get there in the dink, via several canals and another lake. Anyone know the accessibility?

Thanks.
 

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Do you have to take the boat south? Can you keep the boat in the GL and keep the Florida house? If so, why not live on the boat in the summer, cruising the the GLs, and then winter down south.
 

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Side trip...

Torch Lake (East of Grand Traverse Bay) seems interesting. It looks like it may be possible to get there in the dink, via several canals and another lake. Anyone know the accessibility?

Thanks.
I dunno, looks sketchy!

I know you can get into Lake Charlevoix, there's a very active sailing community there.

Portage Lake by Onekama is kind of boring, but the Portage Point Resort is very nice.
 

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Do you have to take the boat south? Can you keep the boat in the GL and keep the Florida house? If so, why not live on the boat in the summer, cruising the the GLs, and then winter down south.
That is a possibility. Hard to predict the future, but we could leave the boat up north some winters and bring it down some winters.
 

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Side trip...

Torch Lake (East of Grand Traverse Bay) seems interesting. It looks like it may be possible to get there in the dink, via several canals and another lake. Anyone know the accessibility?

Thanks.
If you wish to take the dinghy to get to Torch Lake you will have to portage it around the Hydro dam which is at the entrance to Elk Lake from the East Bay. Once you do that, you can spend the better part of an entire day motoring up to Torch Lake and back. There is a narrow, but navigational channel from Elk to Torch Lake, there are stumps, but the water is crystal clear and the channel is somewhat marked. Boats use this channel all the time. There are not a lot of places to stop along the way, but the lakes are some of the prettiest in NA. Be aware that Torch Lake can be very cold, it is very deep and does not get all that warm, except by "the Sandbar" on Torch, which is a party mecca on the 4th of July(stay away)



Other nice harbors on the East side of Lake Michigan that you might wish to visit if you get the chance, starting north and heading south, not going to mention other islands and such previously mentioned:
Leland: Nice little harbor but no room to anchor out. Nice little town to poke around in.

Frankfort: Very nice bay, you can anchor out, or get a transient slip. Right downtown location, very charming.

Portage Lake: great stopover to drop the hook, be away that the bottom drops very fast and it get's very deep. You can drop the hook on the west end by Portage Point Inn, or get a slip for the night, not much to do otherwise, although the beach is a short walk, and is very nice.

Manistee: Another nice city, you can get a slip on the channel and be right downtown. Or go into the bay through the drawbridge and anchor out.

Ludington: very nice, you can get a slip or anchor out. The downtown is right there and you can spend some time just poking around.

Pentwater: Great place to stop, anchor out or get a slip, once again, downtown is right there..

White Lake: Nice stop, not much to do, but anchor out..good layover spot.

Muskegon: Great inland lake for just about anything. Torreson Marine for slips and for any maintenance you need. Get a slip or anchor out.

Grand Haven: Nice downtown right there, you can tie off on the seawall right downtown for free, although be aware it can get rolly depending on the wave direction coming down the channel. Across the river is a nice marina, from there you can get a ride to downtown.

Holland: Very nice bay, but not close to downtown. There are several marinas that you can get a slip, or you can anchor out and motor in for dinner(Boatwerks for example).

Saugatuck: Fantastic place to stop, either anchor out, or get a slip. Great town, very touristy, but lots to look at, great dining right there.

South Haven: fun downtown right there, transient slip is your only option.
 

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Thanks for the tips, everyone. I'm going to copy them into my notebook.

The where-to-end-the-summer waffling has to do with changing lifestyles. We're retiring and we already have a place in Florida where we used to go to escape the cold for a couple of weeks, especially near the holidays. Now we are planning on that being our primary residence starting next winter, but we hate the Florida summer heat even more than the Michigan winter cold. That's why we were going to spend (at least) this summer on the boat on the Great Lakes. But that is a lot longer than we are used to spending on the boat. Figured one of two things:

(1) We could be still having a blast sailing as fall arrives. In this case we would sail the boat down to Florida for the winter. The Keys, Bahamas, etc. Kinda been a dream of mine. But it would be a long way back to do another summer in the great lakes. Yet, we have to go somewhere to escape the summer heat!

(2) We could be burned out and so we would put the boat on the hard for winter '19-'20, enjoy Florida from land for a couple of months. Come spring 2020, two things again:

(A) We are ready again to sail. Do more Great Lakes.
(B) We are still burned out, sell the boat.

I guess the answer is to get started and see what happens.
Peter,

You are at a point in your life similar to us . . . ten years ago. We live in WI and winter in FL in the Englewood/Punta Gorda area on the Gulf side. We explored the exact same living concept you are considering.

We have fresh water boats and sail in an environment that generates relatively little maintenance. Salt water sailing is hard on a boat compared to what you experience here. Operational costs out in hurricane country, along with FL's increasingly hostile attitude toward (lingering) transient boaters convinced us that it was better to lease when we wanted to sail FL waters.

I would enjoy your first full season here on Lake Michigan. It will give you a feel for extended cruising while living on a boat. And you will be doing it in a relatively safe (close to home) environment.
 

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Awesome topic. Thanks for posting the question and also thanks to those who responded.

My wife and I are in a similar situation. But reversed. OK, mostly similar, but we're already in Florida.

We're in the process of retiring, and so tired of the Florida summer heat. We're looking to spend our summers back in cooler climes. Great Lakes were first to come to mind (we're from there) but New England is certainly on the table. Loved hanging out in Traverse City. Always hoped to get an opportunity to sail there.

Downsized boats 20 years ago being too busy to spend much time on the boat and living too far inland. Going to upsize again. Figured we buy up north rather than spend the whole season just getting there.
 

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You prefer quiet coves, scenic vistas, clear water, swimming, good food, but don't have too much use for festivals and social gatherings. Obviously you don't need to maintain a very strict timetable, but you want to put together an overall plan to hit the best of the best, at the right time of summer. What sort of itinerary / routing would you suggest?

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I don't mean to hijack the thread, but would anyone like to extend what has already been written to comment on "must visit" restaurants, museums, river walks, and gardens in the (northern-ish) Great Lakes? My wife and I are also not fond of crowds but I think we might be interested in slightly less remote venues than Peter.
 

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I don't mean to hijack the thread, but would anyone like to extend what has already been written to comment on "must visit" restaurants, museums, river walks, and gardens in the (northern-ish) Great Lakes? My wife and I are also not fond of crowds but I think we might be interested in slightly less remote venues than Peter.
Some places i have enjoyed:

-Fort William Historic Park, Thunder Bay

-Whitefish Point Lighthouse and Museum, Lake Superior

-Mackinac Island

-Cove Island and Flower Pot Island Lake Huron

-Discovery Harbour and St Marie Amongst the Hurons Georgian Bay.

I have some favourites in the Lower Lakes too.
 

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I don't mean to hijack the thread, but would anyone like to extend what has already been written to comment on "must visit" restaurants, museums, river walks, and gardens in the (northern-ish) Great Lakes? My wife and I are also not fond of crowds but I think we might be interested in slightly less remote venues than Peter.
The Great Lakes is a huge cruising area with great variety ranging from true wilderness in northern Lake Superior, to semi-wilderness of the North Channel and Georgian Bay, to dense urban life of the southern Lakes. Take your pick. What kind of cruising do you like?

I’m more intimately familiar with the Canadian shores, but urban cruising along the south shore of Erie might fit your bill. Also, the Lake Ontario north shore is peppered with large cities like Hamilton and Toronto, as well as smaller communities like Whitby, Coburg, Presqu’ile, Trent, Belleville. The Bay of Quinte or the Henderson/Chaumont Bays areas offer a mix of semi-remote and smaller urban cruising. And of course there’s the 1000 Islands with a similar mix of urban and semi-wild.

A guide I can recommend (because I work with them ;)) is Waterway Guide’s Great Lakes editions. It’s now broken into two (north and south Lakes). Or just spend some time on the free online Explorer tool:
https://www.waterwayguide.com/explorer?latitude=45.8655636534&longitude=-84.6243042338&zoom=10&mode=marina
 
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