SailNet Community banner

1 - 16 of 16 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
11 Posts
Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
Hello everybody,

I am a student from France, I live in Grenoble, and I am 21 years old. I own (well, my family does) a 36 ft Bavaria, which we use every summer to enjoy our holidays. Our boat is located in Marseille, as Grenoble does not have sea (it's an interior city). I am still learning how to sail, as my dad is the one who knows everything about it.

I'm a student in the last course in Business Administration degree also, and I'm working in the final project of the degree. My project consists of sailboats and their sails failures, in order to search new opportunities and also the typical repairs on board.

I know it's quite annoying but it would help me a lot in this project (it's important for me) if you could answer me a small survey, composed by 6 questions which are very simple.

This survey is for people that owns a sailboat, rents one for vacation or just know some people who has one of them and had some issue with their sails.

LINK:

Sail Survey (Google Docs)


Thank you in advance!!
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
9,260 Posts
I would respectfully suggest that the survey is not all that clear as it is translated to in English.

From the content that follows, your question about "A bad experience with your sail" should probably read," Have you ever had a sail that was damaged?"

But also, the prices shown are high for 'a multipurpose adhesive' in the US. You should probably include a price in the 4 to 10 Euro range.

Jeff
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,264 Posts
Alalala,

I tried to answer your questionnaire, but the questions and answers are a little oversimplified. As an example.

I currently own or operate 10 boats, six in the US, and three in Jamaica. Of those three are sailboats ranging in size from 38' to 24', while seven are powerboats ranging from 65' to 13'.

I have had bad experiences with my sails, and have used all of the repair methods you asked about to fix them at one point in time or another. I have also bought multipurpose marine adhesives, and have spent more than $1,000 at a time on them. But this was an order measured in gallons. Since your survey doesn't specify size no good answer could be given.

Secondly a multipurpose adhesive is not all purpose. Is this a sail repair adhesive? Or a structural adhesive (like epoxy), more in the range of super glue, wood glue, ect... All of which could be called a multipurpose adhesive. What I would be willing to pay for one depends on what we are talking about, it's performance relative to the others, and the quantity of the purchase.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
80 Posts
Hi everybody,

I am a student from France, I live in Grenoble, and I am 21 years old. I own (well, my family does) a 36 ft Bavaria, which we use every summer to enjoy our holidays. Our boat is located in Marseille, as Grenoble does not have sea (it's an interior city). I am still learing how to sail, as my dad is the one who knows everything about it.

LINK:

Sail Survey (Google Docs)


Thank you in advance!!
How you repair a sail is predicated on a number of factor such as a) are in the middle of the ocean or in the marina, b) how old the sail is, c) how bad the damage is, d) etc.

Your pricing was in euros. You should have converted to dollars.

I also assume that the multi-purpose adhesive will be used on the sail. Is it fast setting or does it 2 days to dry. I would also be hesitant to use a product just because it is multi-purpose without any positive feedback from customers especially on a sail.

The quality of your questionnaire is equivalent to something my 11 year old grandson would produce before some adults would ask him questions similar to the ones I listed above.
 

·
Registered
Corsair 24
Joined
·
4,594 Posts
^^^^this!
 

·
Old enough to know better
Joined
·
4,344 Posts
It appears that everyone was able to translate just fine given the language barrier.

Ease up people and go with the flow.
I agree, while I noticed it it did not bother me. I know approximately what a Eruo costs in dollars, and I can figure out the Frenglish no problem. And his English is better than my French, and I lived in France!
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
5,915 Posts
...

Your pricing was in euros. You should have converted to dollars. ...
If this forum was restricted to U.S. members only, I would maybe agree. But it is not.

...
The quality of your questionnaire is equivalent to something my 11 year old grandson would produce before some adults would ask him questions similar to the ones I listed above.
Mean and unnecessary.
 

·
Learning the HARD way...
Joined
·
7,292 Posts
FWIW, I have not had a sail damaged on my boat, but did have one damaged while sailing with someone else on their boat. Beating our way through 6' swells on a 28' Sabre, we tore the jib, and repaired it with this:


I was so impressed by the repair, that I bought a roll for my boat.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Alalala

·
Registered
Joined
·
11 Posts
Discussion Starter #12
Alalala,

I tried to answer your questionnaire, but the questions and answers are a little oversimplified. As an example.

I currently own or operate 10 boats, six in the US, and three in Jamaica. Of those three are sailboats ranging in size from 38' to 24', while seven are powerboats ranging from 65' to 13'.

I have had bad experiences with my sails, and have used all of the repair methods you asked about to fix them at one point in time or another. I have also bought multipurpose marine adhesives, and have spent more than $1,000 at a time on them. But this was an order measured in gallons. Since your survey doesn't specify size no good answer could be given.

Secondly a multipurpose adhesive is not all purpose. Is this a sail repair adhesive? Or a structural adhesive (like epoxy), more in the range of super glue, wood glue, ect... All of which could be called a multipurpose adhesive. What I would be willing to pay for one depends on what we are talking about, it's performance relative to the others, and the quantity of the purchase.
Hello! I am trying to get as many information as possible, but I know that my survey is a bit "elemental" if you have different boats and different ways to fix the sails. I was interested in getting some data about the "classical" ways to repair a sail, and how people usually tries to fix it (if they go to the sails factory, or if they try just to fix it with some adhesive like "liquid glue"/epoxy/tape).

Do you have a preferred method?

Thanks!


Your pricing was in euros. You should have converted to dollars.

The quality of your questionnaire is equivalent to something my 11 year old grandson would produce before some adults would ask him questions similar to the ones I listed above.
Thanks for your reply about the questionnaire, very expressive :rolleyes:

FWIW, I have not had a sail damaged on my boat, but did have one damaged while sailing with someone else on their boat. Beating our way through 6' swells on a 28' Sabre, we tore the jib, and repaired it with this:


I was so impressed by the repair, that I bought a roll for my boat.
Thanks! How much is this tape aprox?

And great wine, food and art.
I hope you enjoyed my country!




BTW: Sorry for my language, I am not a native speaker though I am trying to learn as much as possible to be understood. If there are syntax errors or any other kind of thing that should be expressed in another form, I'd be happy to know it and change it.

Thanks everybody!
 

·
Freedom isn't free
Joined
·
2,991 Posts
Well, it also depends on the type of sail... For instance, if you have a mylar or loadpath sail, you won't likely be sewing it (maybe, but not likely)... tape is common as is adhesive.

Also a combination of structural tape (mylar or loadpath swatches) with adhesive is a COMMON way to repair loadpath sails.

Sewing dacron is common enough, is tape. I can honestly say I've done all of the above, sew, tape, and glue, and when it was hopeless to fix, I've replaced.
 

·
Registered
Corsair 24
Joined
·
4,594 Posts
ive used that exact same tape to temporarily fix some old dacron sails in an emergency...it worked so well that they stayed hanked on for the remainder of a 6 month voyage...

cheers
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,637 Posts
J'ajoute aux plaintes que le questionnaire n'était pas assez détaillé. On peut endommager une voile de plusieurs façons: un petit trou dans un spi se répare avec de la toile auto-collant Rip-Stop. Un petit accroc par une latte, on peut le coudre facilement. Nous avons eu toute une couture de notre GV déchirée à la hauteur de la deuxième latte dans un vent de 35 noeuds. Il fallait la recoudre sur environ 3m. Je suis bien acheteur d'un adhésif utile, mais les prix n'indiquent pas combien d'ahésif on achète, alors, on ne peut pas déterminer si c'est un bon affaire ou non. Bon vent en tout cas, cependant. Il faudrait peut-être poster aussi sur Hisse-et-oh, et stw.fr pour avoir d'avantage de réponses.
 

·
Registered
Corsair 24
Joined
·
4,594 Posts
I could only make out a few lines...its been a while but:

BON VENT A TOUT LE MONDE!

and the OP.
 
1 - 16 of 16 Posts
Top