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Hello all- I am obviously new to the forum so be kind. I have just come back to sailing after finally getting my family interested. As of yet I only charter boats, but as most of you can understand, I have boat fever almost continuously. Although I was only interested in a coastal cruiser like a beneteau or catalina since I wasn't going to be doing much open water cruising, a friend has me gotten me interested in perfomance boats, and after some research I really like C&C 99 or 110....unfortunately, I have been reading about some hull failures here and at other internet sites. My question from you more experienced folks is: how bad is this problem? Would I be better off buying a boat 1-2 years old to make sure it doesn't have the problem?

Thanks for your help...and sorry if this is the wrong place to post this question.
 

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Are you crazy????

Don't you know you can't say the T word?? or the C word????

Are you really willing to "disappear"???

Vito Corleone will come after you....PLEASE..PLEASE...don't mention hull failure and T ot C word in the same sentence....you'll be shot down like a dog....
 

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I would think that you would be better buying a 3-4 year old boat so that there is a better chance that problems with the laminate would begin to show to a very competent marine surveyor.

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Are you crazy????

Don't you know you can't say the T word?? or the C word????

Are you really willing to "disappear"???

Vito Corleone will come after you....PLEASE..PLEASE...don't mention hull failure and T ot C word in the same sentence....you'll be shot down like a dog....
Thanks for the help.
 

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Thanks.

I would think that you would be better buying a 3-4 year old boat so that there is a better chance that problems with the laminate would begin to show to a very competent marine surveyor.

Jeff
Jeff - I guess from reading the giulietta's response I hit a nerve. I have done lots of searches on this and other forums. I cannot tell if this issue is an isolated event with a very vocal minority or a real significant issue. That was the basis of my question to you oldsters on the board. Again, I apologize if this issue has been discussed to death previously...I am just trying to get the straight scoop.
 

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From what I have been able to observe, your first thought is the most likely. I think the issues have involved a handful of boats and are isolated incidents. However, I would not purchase a new Tartan or C&C. I say that because of the financial issues the company appears to be facing rather than a because of a quality problem.
Just my $ .02
 

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Mark...we had a pretty good thread here, about that..that thread disappeared mysteriously. I have reasons to suspect why, but I am just me...and it's not Sailnet's fault.

THERE ARE ISSUES with newer boats and delamination. That is all I am saying.

I saw real boats with real issues, not photos on a web page.

If it was me...I'd buy another boat, or and old T or C, before the year 1999.

Sorry can't say more....I see Tom Hagen coming down the road in a black Packard..gotta go...

 

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The 110's were made of typical glass until about 02. Some of the Tartans were also made of glass from 99 to about 02-03 that were made by the current ownership fof T&C. For me any how, boats made from about 05 or there abouts on in epoxy, I would worry to a point re the delam issues, and one that I know of with a gray deck instead of the bright white that it should be, due to more than likely a color mix issue at the factory, with that owner getting a number of different and funky reasons as to why it is gray, not white.

The 99's and 115's were all made of epoxy, not sure about the 121's, then you are not asking about them.

Other wise, to a degree, it will be buyer beware, as Novus has tried to sell the T&C lines assets to another buyer, they backed out. Leaving owners with out a warrenty, along with leaving the debts to the old company etc.

I also believe that if you really search, the BIG thread in the buyer area is still there.

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Thanks to all. I did find the big thread but really couldn't make out how bad the situation was...thanks for the input and again, I apologize for asking this old somewhat redundant question. It is sad that brand with an otherwise seaworthy history seems to be in such trouble.
 

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Actually Mark,

If C&C any how does go BK, it would NOT be the first time, the original owners BK'd twice, first time due to a fire?!?! next due to other issues, that is when Novus bought the name etc, and started up within the Tartan group. This is the short 1-2 sentence history, I am sure if you really wanted the history, there is probably a web page with it, maybe eve in Wikapedia.

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mark- How about a nice Classic Tartan????? I mean really, who wants one of those new fangled POS's?

BTW- have you looked at Sabre?
 

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Actually sabre is my first choice...C&C was an option because of price and better performance. A Sabre 386 is now what I am saving for.!!!
 

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Mark,
I bought a new Tartan 3700 this year, and could not be more satisfied with its sailing performance and overall quality. Before buying, I compared it to the Sabre 386. I preferred the Tartan because of the rig, interior accommodation, and overall quality. We really like the carbon rig. It has a self-tacking sail, roller furling reacher and a pocket boom that makes handling of the main really easy. The Tartan staff has given us good support. We enjoy the boat.
 

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Jim, I have a question for you.
Were you aware of the many ongoing litigations that Tartan and C&C are involved in before you made your purchase?
Have you had any warrenty issues that require addressing?
 

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Actually sabre is my first choice...C&C was an option because of price and better performance. A Sabre 386 is now what I am saving for.!!!
Might take a look at the 362. We have one inour harbor. Very nice boat and rates faster than the 386.
 

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Mark,
I bought a new Tartan 3700 this year, and could not be more satisfied with its sailing performance and overall quality. Before buying, I compared it to the Sabre 386. I preferred the Tartan because of the rig, interior accommodation, and overall quality. We really like the carbon rig. It has a self-tacking sail, roller furling reacher and a pocket boom that makes handling of the main really easy. The Tartan staff has given us good support. We enjoy the boat.
So...you decide to start posting now..and on this thread....curious..never saw you here before...I find that odd..your first post...I don't know...

In the one Tartan thread that disappeared..we had a lot of "satisfied" owners that posted only there, only once...almost looked like an "inside" job...and same speech...

Are you an "insider"??? Who are you? Can I see your boat sailing??

How do we know you are a legit owner and no someone (with side interests) pretending to be one??

To me...you are not who you pretend to be....I got caluses now..I figured it all.....

What I think Tartan did with Sailnet is a shame....but I think they forced Sailnet to remove that thread...

Sorry..gotta go....el Don is coming....
 

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What I think Tartan did with Sailnet is a shame....but I think they forced Sailnet to remove that thread...
WHAT!?

You are kidding me! Please tell me this is not true.

That thread was chock full of useful information for anyone considering a new Tartan.

Moderators, care to comment?
 

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WHAT!?

You are kidding me! Please tell me this is not true.

That thread was chock full of useful information for anyone considering a new Tartan.

Moderators, care to comment?
Enquiring minds really want to know.
 

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Tartan Thread

Until we can comment, we won't. We hope to be able to give you some direction on this by tomorrow afternoon, but the matter is out of our hands.

Do not expect or ask for any more of a response until then. You won't get one from any of us.

- CD
 

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Until we can comment, we won't. We hope to be able to give you some direction on this by tomorrow afternoon, but the matter is out of our hands.

Do not expect or ask for any more of a response until then. You won't get one from any of us.

- CD
Well, that doesn't mean the rest of us can't comment.

That thread contained a healthy debate about the merits of Tartans new construction methods and materials, problems that some owners encountered, issues with warranty service, and serious financial questions about the solvency of the company -- evidenced by legal judgments and failed M&A activity.

No disrespect to you CD, or any of the moderators, but this censorship is a load of CRAP.

I've got news for Tartan. That thread better reappear or every time anyone asks about advice concerning a new Tartan purchase, I am going to urge them in the strongest language possible to avoid dealing with the company. And this is coming from someone that WAS seriously considering purchasing one of their larger models.
 
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