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...To my mind the KP46 is a lot of boat for two people to handle and a lot of boat to maintain.

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That's a very nice boat, but I agree with the Cat . That's a 30 year old boat and the maintenance needed to put that boat fit to do a circumnavigation and after that, the annual maintenance, not to speack of the berth prices on marinas, would make it an expensive boat to have and to keep.

I don't mean that the boat is not interesting and at a fair price, only that I don´t think this is the right kind of boat for a guy that want to do a "budget" circumnavigation.

About the handling, I am not sure if I agree with tdw. The sails are not really big and ali lines are run to the cockpit. It all depends on the reefing system, but that you can adapt.

Regards

Paulo

 

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Cat ? CAT ? Really. Show some respect please. (or I might start calling you a Spaniard.....).

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Sorry about that...but it looks like a fat cat I mean, not the animal, but the drawing

Sail are not huge by say racer standards but even so that main would be a handful if you had to get it down by yourself and should the headsail furler misbehave you'd also be having a struggle.

That said, I was mainly thinking of the difficulties in sailing such a boat in a port or river. Multiple tacks with only a couple on board would be downright tiring and docking a 46'er with only two people could also be rather stressful.

For sure if everything goes perfectly , AOK, but you know sailing boats and what can go wrong usually does and at the most inconvenient times.

Given a choice I'd still rather be playing with 20,000lbs and gear to match than 30,000 which is why our next boat will be by preference more 40' than 45.
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Probably you are right, that's an old boat and I don't know if the furler is a new model. But I know some people that sail solo on 45 to 60 ft boats ( modern and lightboats). They say it is easier than in a small boat (with bad weather) and that if the boat is properly equipped it is not a problem. Of course they are very experienced sailors.

I agree with you in what concerns putting such a boat in and out of a marina. Anyway you would pay so much that it would be better to stay out anyway

Personally I agree with you about syze. For me minimum would be 37ft, max 43ft, and I mean light boats.

Give me one of these (with a 2.20 draft) and I will be quite happy :

Overview: Sydney 39 Cruiser Racer by Sydney Yachts

Regards

Paulo

 

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Infamy, Infamy, the've all go it infamy.....

First a pussycat and now a beaver....really this is all too much. As my cousin Blinky might say....how much can a Koala Bear ?

I'm complaining to the moderators about this.
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I have not called you a *****cat, but a Fatcat. Better Fat than *****.

About the Dehler 41Ds:

I have also considered a deck-saloon for my next boat. My wife wanted one and I was not against, providing I could find one fast and enjoyable to sail.

I have looked at the Dehler, it is fast and a nice looking boat (not as fast as I wanted) but the main reason I have looked elsewhere is that I want or a new boat or at least a boat with less than five years.

I have found the boat that meets my criteria and my wife's criteria. We both love the boat, but it serves us no porpose . New, it is too expensive and they are very rare on the used market, and when they appear, they are also too expensive anyway.

Tell me, is it not a beauty?

 

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Marty, this time you are not right. This one is not yet on that thread, but ir deseves and I will reposte this post there also.

Jeff, sorry about the detour, I hope you don't mind .
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Fuzzy,

No, this is not a Nortwind. Those are also great boats, but they are heavier and they have stopped to make small Yachts. The smaller now is a 58ft.
Northwind » Yates

That boat is a Luffe 43DS. Before the crisis I thought that eventually I could have the means to buy one, so I have visited the shipyard, talked with the owner. They were building one, but they had not one available for test sailing, so I test sailed another luffe (the boat sailed wonderfully).<O</O

I liked everything, the boat, the shipyard, Oluf Jørgensen and the love of perfection that they put in all their work.
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I don't even think that the boat is expensive, if we compare it with for instance X-Yachts.
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And I say X yachts, because they are both Danish boats( the Luffe has a local nick name: X-eater ) .

The Luffe are very fast cruiser racers, the owner of the shipyard is a racer that 30 years ago made its own racing boat (a 37) . He made Wood Dragons at that time. The boat was so good that he started to build cruiser racers, first for friends then for a small market. He still races and have its own Luffe.

The 43Ds was borne by the desire that an old client had to travel extensively. This old racer wanted to travel, but have no desire to sail a slow or boring boat and asked Oluf Jorgensen to adapt a 43 cruiser-racer for extensive bluewater cruising, easy anf fast sailing and the result was that boat.
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The 43Ds is normally equipped with a self-taking front sail and, as the one on the picture, a top class Danish furler boom. The boat has at least an electric winch (for the furler boom). The boat is light, but strong, with an interior steel frame that support and distribute the rig and keel loads.
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Here you can see Oluf Jorgensen racing one of its boats on a major Nordic race (how many owners and designers of sailboats are active racers, or sailors?)<O</O

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And about the 43 DS
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http://www.luffe.com/yachts.php?site=yachts&page=spec&range=43_ds<O</O
http://cy-gb.facebook.com/album.php?aid=124834&id=98691490358
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<ORegards

Paulo

By the way, it is Paulo, not Paolo Paolo is Italian. Phonetically it sounds exactly the same.

 

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We love our Dehler 39, marvelous boats. ... They are out of bankruptcy now, owned by Hanse and were a hit at the Euro boat show with their new offerings. J&V are designing some pretty nice boats for them.

michael

I agree, the 39 is a very good boat. I was waiting for Dehler to update the 39 on the lines of the bigger and more modern Dehlers. Never hapened and I doubt it is going to happen. Dehler is out of bankruptcy but it is Hanse that is calling the shots. For what I have heard, Hanse will make the big boats and Dehler the smaler ones (less than 36ft).

Paulo