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This deal sound good? (Edited, more pics, page 2)

1977 Catalina 27, $7900. I've seen this boat sail past me like I was standing still several times on the water, it looks great there (I even have a few pictures of it) and all the upgrades make me happy. I'm going to look at it on Saturday. Here's the equipment list the broker sent me, I eliminated some of the redundant stuff like "Separate head area with privacy door" duh...

ENGINE:

Atomic 4 Gas inboard

30 HP

Controls in cockpit

Gori-geared folding 2 blade prop, new 2005

Engine in excellent running condition



INTERIOR:


Double lifelines and gates-P&S

Life lines-padded in cockpit

Custom stern rail seats

Varnished companionway hatch boards w/locking hasp

All exterior teak sanded and varnished

Garboard drain for winter storage

All thru hulls replaced with Nylon ball cocks 2005

RIGGING:

2-Winches with blue “winchers” for Genoa sheets in cockpit

Adjustable Genoa tracks w/blocks

All S/S wire new 2005

New-Sheaves at mast head 2005

New halyards 2005

New Catalina chain plates installed 2005

New spreader bracket from Catalina 2005

Main bulkheads replaced 2005

Cutlass bearing on shaft replaced 2005

Newer traveler aft of helm

3 halyards

Spinnaker gear

Spinnaker sheets

Spinnaker pole

Boom vang


SAILS:

Main Doyle Dacron 2006 EC

Genoa Doyle Dacron 2006 EC

Jib Neil Pryde Dacron Original GC

130% Neil Pryde Dacron Original GC

Spinnaker Unknown Nylon Original GC

Drifter Unknown Nylon Original GC

New Mainsail cover 2006-Blue

ELECTRONICS:

Tiller Pilot-Autohelm 800

2-Batteries

Battery selector switch

Battery charger from alternator

Separate Battery Charger

110V shore power w/cord

Depthsounder

Knotmeter

Windex at masthead

VHF radio New West Marine 2008

AM/FM/CD 2006

Bulkhead mounted compass

Inclinometer

ADDITIONAL:

Lifesling on transom

Stern mounted boarding ladder-removable

Tiller cover

Small cockpit cushions

Lifejackets

USCG Safety gear

Service receipts

Ship’s papers and manuals

Docklines

Fenders

4 Post steel storage cradle included
 

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Nice boat, of the 9 1977 Cat 27's on Yachtworld I think that one looks to be about the best deal. It's certainly below the mean on price
 

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Do you sail on Ontario or Erie? My in-laws live in Buffalo; and we've been thinking about keeping a boat on Ontario, Olcott harbor maybe.
 

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Do you sail on Ontario or Erie? My in-laws live in Buffalo; and we've been thinking about keeping a boat on Ontario, Olcott harbor maybe.
I sail on Erie, keep my boat at the small boat harbor. Someday I would like to move up near Wilson or Olcott, but that's a long drive to work.

I'm really looking for a newer boat, but this one is local, has a lot of new stuff, and looks to be well maintained.
 

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Have you looked at it in person? If so, how does it compare in real life to the Y/W photos?
 

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It will NOT be trailerable as I am recalling you asking about in another thread, but, this one is a good deal, even if the boat looks half as good as the pics show! "IF" you can move up to a non trailer boat, and you can sail this one on the lake you normally sail on etc, it looks like one you should look at sooner than later!

By the way, what is so cold about 40F and overcast?!?!?!?! oh, you're not in Seattle you say!............

Good luck
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I have crossed the "trailerable" criteria off my list. There are trailers out there for it, but at the most it would be trailered to and from the marina in spring and fall. More likely it would never be trailered unless we move.
 

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That pic does not look as good as the YW pics, but still a pretty boat! It has a little dirt from rain it appears on the hull. It would be way more boat than what you were looking, for very little more. Some of the C27's rated under the old IOR half ton ratings, so in that sense, reasonably quick boats.

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I went down to peek at it today, and it is indeed in very good shape, but not great shape. The deck has a lot of cracks in it, not alligatoring cracks, and not stress cracks. Not sure how to describe them, I guess a survey would tell me. In any event the deck needs to be sanded, repainted, and new antiskid layed down at the very least. I can get better pictures of the deck tomorrow, it was very hard to stand up there, and take pictures. Gelcoat+ice=very slippery. I'm going back there with the broker and my wife tomorrow. Today a very friendly service guy let me up to see it (He has a 2005 Hunter 33, and had a Pearson 323 before that). What I got from being inside the boat is, very large and roomy salon, very very cramped head and v-berth. I'm not sure this is the boat for me. Other boats this size I have been in are the Hunter 27 which has the perfect interior, exactly what I want, and an Ericson 27, which was similar to the Catalina, but the head didn't seem so cramped. Or maybe it's just what I was wearing today, snow boots that make me 6'1" tall, and winter jacket. Tomorrow it will be warmer, I'll spend more time inside.

Hull in nice shape, no signs of impacts, original gelcoat still shines




Bottom in great shape except for a spot on the keel that has been repaired...


Geared folding prop, very nice...


Boom looks newer, some hardware upgrades needed here like adding a genny furler, getting rid of that halyard winch on the mast, new lifelines...


This space would be fine for kids, not for adults...


And I need to add these pics to the "see-thru hull" thread, it's a very bright day with 2 feet of snow on the ground, loo what you can see, you can even see through the bottom paint and epoxy barrier coat. It's actually very cool lighting up there with the light blocked from the salon. Look at the previous pic with the flash carefully, even then you can still see light coming through, completely normal...


 

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The winch on the mast is an easy move. The genoa furler, figure a boat unit or two for the furler, IIRC one has to remove the forestay to put one one. Along with about $7-8 per lin ft of your jib luff to put on luff tape vs the hanked on jibs. Or about $200-300 for a jib on this boat.

Life lines, again, are very doable yourself with either no wire or Amsteel rope/line. A repair or two to the keel for a boat that age, frankly, while not normal, I would still put it in the "not suprised" catagory. She does look well loved overall, and would be a good boat for daysailing, weekending, occasional week long depending upon how much room you need.

Are the cracks around the lifeline stanchins? or near something equal? If so, then it may not be anything major if in the gelcoat itself. If it goes deep, then it is an issue.

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Are the cracks around the lifeline stanchins? or near something equal? If so, then it may not be anything major if in the gelcoat itself. If it goes deep, then it is an issue.

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The cracks are kinda random, not really near any stress points. Most of the deck is covered with snow, so I can only see about 10% of it. I'll have a better idea tomorrow when it's all cleaned off.
 

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Got a better look at it yesterday, the cracks all appear to be minor, evenly spaced around the cabintop. No soft spots noticed (did Catalina even use Balsa on these? Is it all plywood core?) All deck hardware has been rebedded, all have backing plates, no stress cracks around any hardware. the winches are kinda rough and will need replacing. Overall though it's a very nice boat, it's just not for me. The interior and cockpit are too cramped, which is why I want a more modern design in that size.
 
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